My theory on why Ven looks like Roxas

[Drewquinn2]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

... Newbs know absolutely nothing.

Roxas is Sora's body and Soul. Sora is an existence just of a heart.
There, problem solved.

pff....roxas doesnt have soras body cuz sora does...at least i think so cuz he looks exactally the same and roxas looks just like ven...maybe roxas was being created and taking soras body but then sora came back cuz of kairi so roxas had no body...and then he just took vens? Maybe all three of those people (terra ven and aqua) become heartless at the end of bbs and roxas takes vens body so he can...you get my point right?

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Drewquinn2

pff....roxas doesnt have soras body cuz sora does.

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1. Like I said...Newbs don't know anything.
2. If you're going to raise a point, DON'T INPUT YOUR OPINION. Only facts will do when you're debating. Especially against me.
3. Do you have ANY idea what a nobody is?

..at least i think so cuz he looks exactally the same and roxas looks just like ven...maybe roxas was being created and taking soras body but then sora came back cuz of kairi so roxas had no body...and then he just took vens?

Again, I ask, have you any idea what a nobody is?
Why would he have Ven's body? Ven disappeared 10 years before Roxas was born.

Maybe all three of those people (terra ven and aqua) become heartless at the end of bbs and roxas takes vens body so he can.

Heartless are created by Xehanort 9 years before KH1.
A year after the events of BBS.

..you get my point right?

No, because your point is crappily thrown together with random ideas. Not even good ideas, just already whored ideas that have already been disproven since 2006.

[Drewquinn2]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

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1. Like I said...Newbs don't know anything.
2. If you're going to raise a point, DON'T INPUT YOUR OPINION. Only facts will do when you're debating. Especially against me.
3. Do you have ANY idea what a nobody is?



Again, I ask, have you any idea what a nobody is?
Why would he have Ven's body? Ven disappeared 10 years before Roxas was born.



Heartless are created by Xehanort 9 years before KH1.
A year after the events of BBS.



No, because your point is crappily thrown together with random ideas. Not even good ideas, just already whored ideas that have already been disproven since 2006.

oh wow you know what happens to the people in bbs? wow have you played it? i dont think you know for sure if they dissapear or what happens to themat the end of bbs. And a nobody? DUH! who doesnt who has played kh2? but you said that roxas had soras body...but sora has his body...so why do you think roxas and ven have the same EXACTlook?

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

Dude your so beyond stubborn, Roxas is the body and soul of Sora. Sora is but a heart encased in Kairis light.

PMF didn't say anything about the ppl in BBS. He explained the point in time things took place. If memories serves corectly, you dont know what happens to the ppl in BBS either

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Drewquinn2

oh wow you know what happens to the people in bbs? wow have you played it? i dont think you know for sure if they dissapear or what happens to themat the end of bbs.

Originally Posted by Xigbar

The people with blades of Keys disappear, then a man with no memories appears

Nomura said that SRKM are the only wielders at the moment.
Not only that, but they had to have disappeared if they weren't in the first 3 games.
See, that's why I'm the PMF and you're the newbie. ^_^

And a nobody? DUH! who doesnt who has played kh2? but you said that roxas had soras body...but sora has his body...so why do you think roxas and ven have the same EXACTlook?

Because Nomura designed them that way. No, Roxas IS his body. You apparently DON'T know what a nobody is. Sora is an existence consisting SOLELY of heart, that is, until the beginning of KH2.

[Clowde]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

Nomura said that SRKM are the only wielders at the moment.
Not only that, but they had to have disappeared if they weren't in the first 3 games.
See, that's why I'm the PMF and you're the newbie. ^_^



Because Nomura designed them that way. No, Roxas IS his body. You apparently DON'T know what a nobody is. Sora is an existence consisting SOLELY of heart, that is, until the beginning of KH2.

I know what a nobody is. A Nobody is the body and soul that is left behind when a heart is taken from someone or something, and they are born in the realm of inbetween. Ill ask One thing from you PDF.
Give me a link to proof that says Nomura admits thats Sora is a Being of Solely a heart or thats what he intended. Until then id like you to chill and stop acusing peopel of what they do or do not know.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Clowde

I know what a nobody is. A Nobody is the body and soul that is left behind when a heart is taken from someone or something, and they are born in the realm of inbetween. Ill ask One thing from you PDF.
Give me a link to proof that says Nomura admits thats Sora is a Being of Solely a heart or thats what he intended. Until then id like you to chill and stop acusing peopel of what they do or do not know.

It's in Chain of Memories:

Axe: He retained a human for after he became a heartless. Only one other man managed to do that Larxene.

[Keywielder28]

Originally Posted by jadenyuki99

Uhh.. im new to these forums so be nice.. :rolleyes:


I think that.. Somehow when Terra was asked to erase Ven in the leaked trailer.. Terra somehow "merged" vens with soras.

Ven asked terra do erase him in destiny islands right? Thats where Sora was at the time period >.>

So when Soras heart was released in order to save kairi? It was auctually VENS HEART RELEASED...

Vens heart might be the key reason on roxas looks like ven o.O


EDIT: o.O I just saw the leaked trailer again and remembered the screenshot of ven on destiny islands with aqua's shadow..You could see that at the end of the leaked trailer meaning that it was not terra that was asked to erase Ven but AQUA.. watch the last few seconds of the leak
be nice..
-end theory-

...That made no sense to me at all.

[KCDjedi]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

It's in Chain of Memories:

Axe: He retained a human for after he became a heartless. Only one other man managed to do that Larxene.

The Secret Ansem Reports say that as well. So what's that make Sora? A good Heartless for Chrissake? Nope, just Sora's heart manifested itself as a whole body, I suppose, thanks to Kairi. But it is a very bizarre exception. Like I said, earlier: that's the key to the whole thing.

Didn't I say something along these lines way earlier in this thread? Something happens to me where I'll completely forget what it is I wrote earlier and go on a different tack. Ah well.

"Xehanort and Sora were singular exceptions to this rule." Or something like that.

Well, sometimes you forget what you were going to say...:blink:

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Clowde

Until then id like you to chill and stop acusing peopel of what they do or do not know.

And I'd like you to stop pretending like you know what you're talking about and I don't; but that's not going to happen is it? Apparently you don't know much, otherwise you'd not be bringing up an old point that has been disproven since 2004

[Clowde]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

And I'd like you to stop pretending like you know what you're talking about and I don't; but that's not going to happen is it? Apparently you don't know much, otherwise you'd not be bringing up an old point that has been disproven since 2004

Id appreciate it PDF if you shut the **** up and do not question what i know for there is no way for you to know what i truly know or do not know. But for the sake of humoring you. Post the rest of that conversation. Cuz posting one line of a conversation can be easily used out of context. I dont know who Axel is talking to or about what. And hwere was that taken? CoM? Or the manga?

[EyeOfDiscovery]

So.. Basically you mean like.. When the unknown shadow (Aqua?) was asked by Ven to erase him.. She could have asked Terra (Who we know as a chaser - Whatever powers chasers can posses) to erase ven.. Which would explain Terra watching Riku and Sora on the beach, then erasing Ven and putting his (Soul maybe?) into Sora's heart.

What I will change with your theory is that when Sora turned into heartless, Because a nobody HAD to be made, it released the soul of Ven, Because Sora's heart was in Kairi untill she released the heart, making Sora himself again.

This ok? - Also just changing a bit of your theory makes the one above (Take credit and say u made it << LOL)
Just kiddingg

But still I don't think it was Vens heart/soul that went into KAIRI.. Because it would be saying Kairi was linked to ven (Which she could well be, considering she is linked to Sora's heart)

[EyeOfDiscovery]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

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1. Like I said...Newbs don't know anything.
2. If you're going to raise a point, DON'T INPUT YOUR OPINION. Only facts will do when you're debating. Especially against me.
3. Do you have ANY idea what a nobody is?



Again, I ask, have you any idea what a nobody is?
Why would he have Ven's body? Ven disappeared 10 years before Roxas was born.



Heartless are created by Xehanort 9 years before KH1.
A year after the events of BBS.



No, because your point is crappily thrown together with random ideas. Not even good ideas, just already whored ideas that have already been disproven since 2006.

I don't want to raise a arguement so dont bare your teeth. But you did it again.. Take it easy hes a noob like me. We are all gonna make crap theories and say wrong things because we say it without thinking.. And how can Xehanort have made heartless just 9 years before? They weren't made till KH1 were they?

[KCDjedi]

Originally Posted by EyeOfDiscovery

So.. Basically you mean like.. When the unknown shadow (Aqua?) was asked by Ven to erase him.. She could have asked Terra (Who we know as a chaser - Whatever powers chasers can posses) to erase ven.. Which would explain Terra watching Riku and Sora on the beach, then erasing Ven and putting his (Soul maybe?) into Sora's heart.

What I will change with your theory is that when Sora turned into heartless, Because a nobody HAD to be made, it released the soul of Ven, Because Sora's heart was in Kairi untill she released the heart, making Sora himself again.

This ok? - Also just changing a bit of your theory makes the one above (Take credit and say u made it << LOL)
Just kiddingg

But still I don't think it was Vens heart/soul that went into KAIRI.. Because it would be saying Kairi was linked to ven (Which she could well be, considering she is linked to Sora's heart)

Bolded part is wrong. Sora's Heart never went to Kairi, it was vice versa.

Originally Posted by EyeOfDiscovery

I don't want to raise a arguement so dont bare your teeth. But you did it again.. Take it easy hes a noob like me. We are all gonna make crap theories and say wrong things because we say it without thinking.. And how can Xehanort have made heartless just 9 years before? They weren't made till KH1 were they?

Well, the events spoken of in the Ansem Reports occurred roughly 9 or so years ago. We don't know, with in-game clues, when the Heartless were first created, but we can guess that it wasn't long after Xehanort came under apprenticeship of Ansem the Wise.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Clowde

Id appreciate it PDF if you shut the **** up

I'd apprecite it kindly if you stopped living. ^_^

and do not question what i know for there is no way for you to know what i truly know or do not know. But for the sake of humoring you. Post the rest of that conversation. Cuz posting one line of a conversation can be easily used out of context. I dont know who Axel is talking to or about what. And hwere was that taken? CoM? Or the manga?

CoM the game. Why the hell would I use the manga that's non-canon?

Originally Posted by Secret Ansem Report

Sora, who lost his memories in Castle Oblivion, has gone into a deep sleep to
recover them. However, I believe it will require a considerable amount of time
to recover completely the memories from his birth to the present time.

But Castle Oblivion is a place that was controlled by the XIII Order. I must
care for Sora in a safer place. I have decided to persuade Namine to help, and
take the sleeping Sora to Twilight Town to protect him.

Namine.
As I wrote before, she is an extremely unique existence. Born through the same
process as a Nobody, but missing certain elements that characterise a Nobody.

That she continues to draw pictures is possibly compensating for what she
lacks...from other people's, mainly Sora's, memories.

I have formed a hypothesis.
I believe that Namine was born as a unique Nobody when Sora turned the Keyblade
on his own body and Sora and Kairi's "hearts" departed his body at the same tme.
Namine was born as Kairi's Nobody.
But to become a Nobody, Sora's body and soul were used as an intermediary...

When a person loses their heart, a Heartless with no sense of self is born, and
the leftover body and soul are used as an intermediary to give birth to a
Nobody.

But what about those who chose to release their heart?
Sora and Xehanort, even though they became Heartless, kept their sense of self.

And in the case of Kairi and Namine.
The exception that Kairi's heart had no darkness, and the exception that Kairi's
heart used Sora as a vessel when she lost it...The cause may be due to all of
these impossible exceptions piling up.

While Sora sleeps, I will do what I must.
A new ally has appeared, named Riku.

Originally Posted by Chain of f---ing Memories.

~~~~~~~~|Floors 3-4 Interlude|~~~~~~~~

Donald: I hope the king is okay...

Sora: Why bring that up all of a sudden?

Donald: I just wanted to make sure I haven't forgotten about him.

Goofy: And?

Donald: I still remember perfectly! Goofy and I are on a quest to find him.

Goofy: Yep! The king helped save the world by staying on the other side of the
door to darkness.

Donald: If Goofy still remembers, then I won't forget anytime soon.

Sora: And me — I'm looking for Riku. He was with the king when the door closed.
That was easy. I guess we really can't forget the most important
memories.

Donald: I hope not...

You head towards Floor 4 and Axel is seen talking to a blonde-haired woman in a
black coat.

???????: Wow, Axel, you seem pretty intrigued by this Sora kid.

Axel: And you're not?

???????: I haven't made up my mind...but I'd like to know what's on yours.

Axel: He became a Heartless, Larxene — and you know what happens to people who
do.

Larxene: People who lose their hearts also lose their minds, their feelings...
They're consumed by the darkness.

Axel: Right. But that didn't happen to Sora. He held on to his feelings, even
as a Heartless. Only one other man ever managed to do that.

Larxene: So it's the strength of his heart that intrigues you — the heart
chosen by the Keyblade.

Axel: What makes his heart shine like that? What sleeps in his most secret
depths?

Larxene: The heart is a mysterious thing, Axel.

Axel: Maybe so. But unlocking its secrets is the whole reason we, the
Organization, exist

BTW, that's PMF. So you can't spell either.
~

Lookie here lame ass. I've been doing this for years. I know what the hell I'm talking about. YOU'RE the new guy here, not me. So stop pretending you know what the hell you're talking about and get your weight up before you challenge me.

Now wipe the nut off your lip, I'm done with you.

I don't want to raise a arguement so dont bare your teeth. But you did it again.. Take it easy hes a noob like me. We are all gonna make crap theories and say wrong things because we say it without thinking.. And how can Xehanort have made heartless just 9 years before? They weren't made till KH1 were they?

What I WANTED to say to you yesterday was that I wasn't flaming you. YOu did, however, get insulted very easily. That is to say, I have a very brusk manner. We're not arguing now, just don't take everything I say so serious, or you're going to find yourself offended at almost EVERY one of my posts.