My theory on why Ven looks like Roxas

[Clowde]

Originally Posted by KCDjedi

Eh, Heartless are the embodiment darkness in a heart, unburdened by the body or soul of the person.
Kairi never had Sora's heart, he had his heart the whole time he was a heartless, and her goodness, love, and caring for him brought his body back to him.
When a Nobody is created a new being is created from the body and soul of the original person. A new person who's body is vaguely different from the original, meaning that the original body must still exist for the original owner (Xehanort's Heartless and Sora are both testament to this, I believe). Kairi's love restored Sora's Heart to goodness, a process that required his body to return. The reason why Roxas was still alive at that point was because he was his own being by that time.


It's hard to explain my thoughts on this.

After doing a little Research, i found this, Sora DID lose his heart, He never kept it , But kairi being a Princess of Heart was Able to fetch it from teh darkness and returned him to his former self.

Secret Ansem Report 4( This is just a little Part of it)

Three elements combine to create a life: a heart, a soul, and a body.

But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?

When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?

A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.

Heres another:
Secret Ansem Report 7

When a Heartless is born, the body and soul left behind are reborn into this world as a different being.

So what this is saying is that Sora lost His heart But Kairi Rescued it, and he never lost His body and soul. But what im trying to say is that. Roxas cant have Sora's Body and Soul if Sora has it.

[xXMarukuXx]

i dont even think nobdys have the body of their orignial selfs they are made of the body and soul but the body does not leave whit them...if that happend nobody could come back if their heartless and nobody were destroyed cause is body would die whit the nobody

[KCDjedi]

Originally Posted by Clowde

After doing a little Research, i found this, Sora DID lose his heart, He never kept it , But kairi being a Princess of Heart was Able to fetch it from teh darkness and returned him to his former self.

Secret Ansem Report 4( This is just a little Part of it)

Three elements combine to create a life: a heart, a soul, and a body.

But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?

When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?

A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.

Heres another:
Secret Ansem Report 7

When a Heartless is born, the body and soul left behind are reborn into this world as a different being.

So what this is saying is that Sora lost His heart But Kairi Rescued it, and he never lost His body and soul. But what im trying to say is that. Roxas cant have Sora's Body and Soul if Sora has it.

I had a feeling I missed something. The heart, when a person turns into a Heartless, returns to Kingdom Hearts, from whence it came, you're right about that. I was fundamentally wrong about Heartless, but not the Nobody.
Clearly Roxas' body is different from Sora, so while it is supposed to be his original body that Roxas has, Sora's body was restored to him when Kairi called his heart back. Sora did lose his body and soul, but not his mind or his sense of purpose when he became a Heartless.
Why do you think he didn't lose his body and soul?

Like I said earlier, and your AR quote supports this: " body and soul left behind are reborn into this world as a different being."

[Clowde]

The Term "Different being " simply means its no longer a body. But a being in its self. Im saying Sora Dint lose his bodt because...He.Did.Not.Lose.His.Body.For.He.Still.Ha s.It.Cause.He.Is.Not.A.Floating.Spirit.Thing.
Remember. When one Loses his heart and a heartless is made a nobody is made aswell. However for a Nobody to Exist , A Heartless Has to exist aswell. But No Heartless is Coexisting thats why Roxas is an Unstable Being. But the fact that Sora still has his body, and that it never turned into a nobody means Roxas does not have Soras body.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

Originally Posted by Clowde

The Term "Different being " simply means its no longer a body. But a being in its self. Im saying Sora Dint lose his bodt because...He.Did.Not.Lose.His.Body.For.He.Still.Ha s.It.Cause.He.Is.Not.A.Floating.Spirit.Thing.
Remember. When one Loses his heart and a heartless is made a nobody is made aswell. However for a Nobody to Exist , A Heartless Has to exist aswell. But No Heartless is Coexisting thats why Roxas is an Unstable Being. But the fact that Sora still has his body, and that it never turned into a nobody means Roxas does not have Soras body.

Wrong, the nobody is specifically the body of the corresponding heartless. On rare occasions a nobody is born when a heartless is born aswell, but if the heartless is killed and no longer exists that doesn't mean the nobody wont exist either. Sora gained a new body because of Kairis light. You forget that he was temporarily a heartless, he did not truly gain his body until he merged with Roxas. Xehanort is another exception aswell. Some say that he gained his body through Riku, while an Ansem report stated that in becoming a heartless, he maintained his human form.....it is questionable but overall what you're saying is all wrong

[Artistry of Schedius]

If Roxas is Ven or if ven's heart went into Rox,then Rox should be left handed,but hes not.am i right? i just realized that this morning.

[KCDjedi]

Originally Posted by ( X_Roxas_XD

If Roxas is Ven or if ven's heart went into Rox,then Rox should be left handed,but hes not.am i right? i just realized that this morning.

Is Ven left handed? I never bothered to notice that :p. If true though, it makes for an interesting dynamic.

Originally Posted by Adamus

Wrong, the nobody is specifically the body of the corresponding heartless. On rare occasions a nobody is born when a heartless is born aswell, but if the heartless is killed and no longer exists that doesn't mean the nobody wont exist either. Sora gained a new body because of Kairis light. You forget that he was temporarily a heartless, he did not truly gain his body until he merged with Roxas. Xehanort is another exception aswell. Some say that he gained his body through Riku, while an Ansem report stated that in becoming a heartless, he maintained his human form.....it is questionable but overall what you're saying is all wrong

That's basically what I was getting at.


I thought I made that reasonably clear in my posts (I can say things in a bit of a convoluted way sometimes).

[KCDjedi]

*edit*Argh, pressed the button twice.

[jadenyuki99]

Originally Posted by ( X_Roxas_XD

If Roxas is Ven or if ven's heart went into Rox,then Rox should be left handed,but hes not.am i right? i just realized that this morning.

VEN IS NOT LEFT HANDED o.O

During his fight.. (leaked trailer) when Ven fell to the ground he was holding his keyblade with his right hand

[Artistry of Schedius]

i know but on the secret ending he is holding his keyblade in reverse and in the left hand

[Karate]

... Newbs know absolutely nothing.

Roxas is Sora's body and Soul. Sora is an existence just of a heart.
There, problem solved.

[Artistry of Schedius]

i know that PMF.which noob are you talking to? Ven is not roxas nobodies didnt exist 10 years ago .i rest my case.

[Clowde]

No, i find that very unlikely to be a being with just a heart and no nobody. However im willing to admit that my previous posts on the nobody with the Ansem reports were wrong saying i was a liltlle drunk, seriously. But Yes Ven isn't left handed. In Birth by sleep Ven Uses His left hand For like a split second when he jumps behind MX , he is holding his keyblade upside down and is wielding , "dagger-like". But In all the game play videos Ven is useing his right hand. and that is judgeing on like....one were he is casting thunder.

Pmf, as much as id love to beleive that so that this arguement can be done with. That cant be, however what KCDjedi said about a saved -copy would make alot more sense. I still stand by my Theory. I guess all we can really do is wait for Birth by sleep to release =/

And i never said Roxas is Vens nobody,God, Damnit, I just said he had to take that form for Sora is using his body, leaving nothing left for roxas to use.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

Originally Posted by Clowde

No, i find that very unlikely to be a being with just a heart and no nobody. However im willing to admit that my previous posts on the nobody with the Ansem reports were wrong saying i was a liltlle drunk, seriously. But Yes Ven isn't left handed. In Birth by sleep Ven Uses His left hand For like a split second when he jumps behind MX , he is holding his keyblade upside down and is wielding , "dagger-like". But In all the game play videos Ven is useing his right hand. and that is judgeing on like....one were he is casting thunder.

Pmf, as much as id love to beleive that so that this arguement can be done with. That cant be, however what KCDjedi said about a saved -copy would make alot more sense. I still stand by my Theory. I guess all we can really do is wait for Birth by sleep to release =/

And i never said Roxas is Vens nobody,God, Damnit, I just said he had to take that form for Sora is using his body, leaving nothing left for roxas to use.

But that is what Sora was, just an existance of the heart. Nothing changed except for the fact that he didnt have his actual body. He wasnt a heartless after Hollow Bastion, just a heart encased with light

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Clowde

No, i find that very unlikely to be a being with just a heart and no nobody.

And yet Xehanort and Sora did it.

Pmf, as much as id love to beleive that so that this arguement can be done with. That cant be, however what KCDjedi said about a saved -copy would make alot more sense. I still stand by my Theory. I guess all we can really do is wait for Birth by sleep to release =/

What can't be? The fact that sora was just an existence of heart, like Xehanort? Because that's the basic principle of a heartless. Or the fact that Roxas IS the body and soul? Because That IS what a nobody is.

DO you understand that concept of a nobody?