Sora's status as a keyblader

[griever]

OK as some of you may have seen I have just finished posting this in another thread, but I am so sick of hearing it brought into question that I just wanted to clear things up and I thought it needed its own thread.

This is one thing that has been annoying me lately, people going on about Sora's status as the Keyblade master/bearer user. He is not insignificant, he is THE chosen keyblade wielder.

Mickey had a keyblade before the events of Kingdom Hearts 1, I think we can all agree on that, it was in the Ansem Reports. And yet despite having a key of his own Mickey sent out Donald and Goofy to find the bearer of the key "THAT key is the key to our survival" there is something about Sora's key that Mickey's quite obviously lacks. I am of the understanding that the status of Master has NOTHING to do with the level of training you've received but by the choosing of the keyblade, which as we all know after the struggle of Riku and Sora for the Kingdom Key, is based on the strength of your heart NOT the level of battle training you've received, so please stop going on about how everyone's status is determined by training.

Sora is referred to as the Master of the Keyblade so many times in KH1 that it is not even worth debating, you wanna argue that they didn't use the term master in the same sense that it is being used in BBS? Fine, why does Mickey seem to think Sora is so much more important than himself, why does Master Yen Sid call Sora "The Key that connects everything" instead of Riku or Mickey, master Yen Sid may well not have known about the status of Riku but he certainly knew about Mickey's situation.

Please, anyone who cares to argue with me on this one, feel free to try, I'm currently re-playing through KH1 and I've just finished replaying KH2 so all the quotes I'll need to make a solid argument are fresh in my mind.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by griever

OK as some of you may have seen I have just finished posting this in another thread, but I am so sick of hearing it brought into question that I just wanted to clear things up and I thought it needed its own thread.

Not really.

This is one thing that has been annoying me lately, people going on about Sora's status as the Keyblade master/bearer user. He is not insignificant, he is THE chosen keyblade wielder.

You obviously did not play KH1. The Keyblade he got was not supposed to go to him. It was even said by TLS. "You are not the one I chose"

Mickey had a keyblade before the events of Kingdom Hearts 1, I think we can all agree on that, it was in the Ansem Reports. And yet despite having a key of his own Mickey sent out Donald and Goofy to find the bearer of the key "THAT key is the key to our survival"

Yes, THAT Key, the one that was SUPPOSED to go to Riku.

there is something about Sora's key that Mickey's quite obviously lacks.

Not really. To lock the doors, two Keys were needed. Two keys were needed to save the universe. Mickey isn't any less significant that Sora, he just couldn't do it alone.

I am of the understanding that the status of Master has NOTHING to do with the level of training you've received but by the choosing of the keyblade, which as we all know after the struggle of Riku and Sora for the Kingdom Key, is based on the strength of your heart NOT the level of battle training you've received, so please stop going on about how everyone's status is determined by training.

It's determined by Nomura who says that Sora isn't a master.

Sora is referred to as the Master of the Keyblade so many times in KH1 that it is not even worth debating, you wanna argue that they didn't use the term master in the same sense that it is being used in BBS? Fine, why does Mickey seem to think Sora is so much more important than himself, why does Master Yen Sid call Sora "The Key that connects everything" instead of Riku or Mickey, master Yen Sid may well not have known about the status of Riku but he certainly knew about Mickey's situation.

All of that is irrelevant. It's obvious Sora was SUPPOSED to get A keyblade, just not the one that he DID get.

Please, anyone who cares to argue with me on this one, feel free to try, I'm currently re-playing through KH1 and I've just finished replaying KH2 so all the quotes I'll need to make a solid argument are fresh in my mind.

So? :mellow:

[UrbanQuattrus]

Maybe all the references to Sora being "the key that connects everything" and his key being "the key to survival" is less about his specific keyblade and more about the fact that he, as a keyblade wielder, is in the best position to do the things that are necessary to save the universe.

[griever]

You obviously did not play KH1. The Keyblade he got was not supposed to go to him. It was even said by TLS. "You are not the one I chose"

I will concede that a great deal of what you've said are all very good points, I'm not one for blindly ignoring fact to support my own claims, but with this particular point I have to disagree on at least one level. The keyblade makes the choice of who it allows to become it wielder, I'm sure you'll agree with me on that. And so the fact that it originally chose Riku doesn't mean Sora is any less of its master. I means the keyblader chose, became "disheartened" (couldn't think of a better way to discribe an innanimate object's emotions) and so chose again, Sora became the master of the keyblade.

And yes, I have played through kingdom hearts, many many many many times ;)
I simply consider it a case of... the wielder of the kingdom key is chosen and chanegs regularly, Riku's role as its master was just very short, and Sora was next in line.

(and I don't know what you mean by the acronym of TLS if you wouldn't mind enlightening me)

[road to oblivion]

yes go PMF destroy this thread WOOOOOOOOOOOT
okay anyways i dont get why status is so important at least he has a keyblade

[Karate]

Originally Posted by griever

I will concede that a great deal of what you've said are all very good points, I'm not one for blindly ignoring fact to support my own claims

Wow, haven't had one of those in a while. You've earned a rep point once you reach 100 posts. Just remind me.

but with this particular point I have to disagree on at least one level. The keyblade makes the choice of who it allows to become it wielder, I'm sure you'll agree with me on that. And so the fact that it originally chose Riku doesn't mean Sora is any less of its master. I means the keyblader chose, became "disheartened" (couldn't think of a better way to discribe an innanimate object's emotions) and so chose again, Sora became the master of the keyblade.

One could also surmise that there was a portion of Riku in Sora. The theme of KH1 was "friends in our hearts" A theory I have is that a portion of Riku was left in Sora [in the metaphoric sense] when he disappeared.

There's also the fact that the darkness weakened Riku's heart, while Sora's was burning brightly and shown through the darkness.

Originally Posted by Mysterious Voice

Always keep your light burning

light=heart.
These are lesser points, but whatever. They fit. I don't really push them hard.

And yes, I have played through kingdom hearts, many many many many times ;)

108 times. How many you got?

(and I don't know what you mean by the acronym of TLS if you wouldn't mind enlightening me)

The Lingering Sentiment/Terra. The fight itself is up for debate if it's noncanon, but some of the things he said were very important. It can't be if Terra is Xehanort like everyone thinks.

[griever]

Originally Posted by road to oblivion

yes go PMF destroy this thread WOOOOOOOOOOOT
okay anyways i dont get why status is so important at least he has a keyblade

hehe very nice of you rto, and I think that status is just going to be a somewhat significant feature in the next few games.

As for your sig, 0+0=X... to my knowledge, X is a non-real number, and does not exist ;)

To PMF, glad to have an intelligent conversation, thank you for the elaboration the acronym and as for your... was it 108? I forget... but very impressive, I've not kept track of mine but to my knowledge it's in the 80's. Anyways... I think I've said all that I had to say in this thread, cheerio.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by griever

As for your sig, 0+0=X... to my knowledge, X is a non-real number, and does not exist ;)

Well it's obvious that the first 0 represents 5 dozen eggs.
The second 0 represents a bowl.
the + represents "Mix the F--K out of it!"

That means X=

PENIS!

[Grayrock]

Damn, s**t just got real! :lol:

[xjeezlouisx]

no one is really a master or what so ever
its just called a well you get what i mean...

[Bumblebee]

Is rank the word you were looking for there?

[Twiligan]

WTF, i was just scrolling down to make my comment, and i just saw the word "Penis" in bright red letters._O:
What the hell is going on here?!

[Twiligan]

I remeber having a thread slightly similer to this, where I was saying that Sora must be the weakest Keybearer, I what I think is that when people say "Master" they say, utter control and manipulative power over the Key, I think we can all agree that Sora knows not of the true power or origins of history behind the key, so it is logial to say hes not a Master Weilder, but he could however be concidered THE master of the acual Keyblade, in the sense that the Kingdom Key choses him, so He is the Master of that key, but he dossnt know all of its powers yet so hes not a master wieilder.

[libraxege]

Originally Posted by Twiligan

WTF, i was just scrolling down to make my comment, and i just saw the word "Penis" in bright red letters._O:
What the hell is going on here?!

lol people going off topic!!!

anyways Mickey was looking for Sora just because he needed the other Key to close the DTD.

But I'm really curious about the thing you said that Sora is the key that connects everything, in KH2 he wasn't the only one with the key as we all know, think of Riku, Mickey, Roxas and Kairi too (but maybe she isn't so important cuz riku gave him the key).

[Zero Sora]

108 times. How many you got?

Something about that number...

Well it's obvious that the first 0 represents 5 dozen eggs.
The second 0 represents a bowl.
the + represents "Mix the F--K out of it!"

That means X=

PENIS!

Lol Awesome Compilation.

why does Master Yen Sid call Sora "The Key that connects everything" instead of Riku or Mickey

One reason could be because seconds before he said that line, he said something like "Everything in your journey is connected. Whether you will return to the islands, whether you return alone or with your friend, and whether ot not the islands will still be there. You are the key that connects them all" He was refering to Sora's journey though out KH2, nothing else.