BBS, 358/2, KH3 Theory or Not???

[Org14Kurix(Riku)]

First, let’s come to an understanding:
A person:

1. Soul- memories
2. Heart-emotions and instincts, it also affects appearance (that’s why nobodies look slightly different)
3. Also note that Heartless have bodies that can go threw floors but artificial bodies can’t
4. Body-a vessel that is the main factor of your appearance

Enemies:

1. Heartless
   • Formed of your heart
   • Not able to retain original form.
   • Just emotions and instincts
   • Nobodies
   • Formed of a body and a soul
   • They can think past instincts (a possible trait of memories?)
2. New Enemy
   • We know that some have emblems like artificial heartless
   • My thought is that it is formed of a heart and a soul
   • Their shape is unstable but they can possess bodies.
   • The stronger ones can possess human bodies while the others use artificial ones.
   • Those ones are their leaders.
   • Next I think armor, keyblade transformations, health, and stat bonuses will be involved with the growth system.

Next I would like to explain my theory on the characters and their orgins.
ATW (he has called them his people) was previously one of several Kings. He has 2 children, Ven_____ and Kairi (a princess from Radiant Gardens). ATW has an alliance with several other king’s including Agraba’s Sultan, the King of Disney (Not Mickey), The Kings of Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty though he also has enemies. His followers at the time were Dilan (General), Even (Head Scientist), Aeleus (Head Spy), and Lenzo (kid genius and strategist)

Venom- brother of Sora; father killed for refusing to fight in the war.

Mickey- (A soldier and personal friend of ATW)

Braig (Also coincides with Egyptian theory because MX kind of looks like Osiris who was considered Annubis’s father and the Eye of Ra on Riku’s keyblade since it was Osiris and Annubis’s weapon. I guess we can expect their mom to resemble Isis.)- a fallen hero with an incredible lust for power; the current host of Xehanort, father of 2 children Terra and Riku. Comes from a powerful family (known for being able to use darkness though many did not know the origins of their powers). His wife (pregnant with Riku and she has silver hair) and Terra left him. Riku was unknown to Braig and Xehanort.

Aqua- Background unknown.

Namine- An elite kid mage who’s sister is Aqua. She is also a PoH

Demons of darkness- select warriors who are naturally dark; anti-princesses of heart

Kings- There is war all around between worlds and civil wars as well. Keyblades are one of many weapons involved; kings take sides.

Chasers- Creators of Key Chains, live in another dimension.

Keychains- gifts passed down from generations.

So as I've said before Xehanort is the name of the guardian

and that is the one of the new enemies’ leaders. The MX is Braig and Xehanort. He isn’t shown using a keyblade because he can’t in that body. Plus, Braig is getting older so he goes out to find a replacement. He comes across a very talented kid named Ven (different from the one above, the one related to wind). This kid is a natural warrior and he is the best friend of Terra. The MX finds him and corrupts him by teaching him about power and darkness. He seeks out MX with the intent of taking Xehanort’s power. MX takes interest in the kid and accepts him as an apprentice. Though when the other new enemy leaders decide it’s time to collect the PoHs and the DoDs for creating keyblades (keyblade war) and other unknown reasons, MX and Ven betray the other keyblade wielders and attempt to collect these people. Terra attempts to stop him knowing they will have to fight. Ven wins, and now takes on the name Venom. Then Venom commences his operation knowing he will be Xehanort’s next body.

Thenduring this time VATs master recognizes the dangers of this new enemy

and send out his apprentices as he is sent out to war. The stage is set, there are 14 targets to find in very little time. That’s why VAT splits up throughout the game. Though Terra (from VAT) also ran into MX at Olympus Coliseum. That’s when his father recognizes him and they enter that discussion about corrupting Venom’s heart. Then MX orders Venom to attack and capture Terra. This could be what they mean when they say you’re choices affect the game, you decide which ones you collect (You can lose boss fights) for the most part. During the second part of the game you are in group battles in the war and several bosses will be kings a/o new enemy leaders.

In the end they meet at Sunset Horizons where they have a mega war battle.

After this MX heads to another area followed by VAT. This is where the video occurs. Terra uses fatal mode to intervene with the transformation and knocks Venom out of the way. This ends with Terra as the host, his hair now turned silver. Though a PoH was mortally wounded in the process. Then a young mage named Namine sacrifices herself to save Kairi by switching their hearts (transfers majority of her powers). On Terra’s request, Namine uses the last of her powers to hide his memories (which now include Xehanort’s), as well as hide Braig’s memories of being under Xehanort’s control as a safety measure.

Terra’s last request was that his keyblade be given to his younger brother Riku.

Venom has been sentenced to exile and the hearts of the world’s were locked to prevent a war on this scale from occuring. ATW also invites Braig and Terra (never having run into them before) to study under him. ATW arranges for his children to move to Destiny Islands. Ven felt darkness as I tried to er pain and manages to convince his girlfriend Aqua (who also has Namine’s powers to manipulate souls) to erase him, or transfer his soul to Sora. The Kingdom Key’s keychain was actually the Prince’s marking. It was a gift origionally given to Radiant Gardens from Disney Kingdom since they only had Princess Minnie. Oathkeeper was a charm from Ven given to Kairi. She then left to find Terra.

In the future, ATW and his followers begin experimenting on the heart.

If and you became a heartless then you and your nobody couldn’t exist at the same time unless you have two souls, right? So, once Xehanort became a heartless Terra’s soul became the nobody Xemnas (I guess existing at the same time creates another body). This would mean that Xehanort would have complete control of Terra’s body or Ansem while Terra has complete control of Xemnas as his memories return. So Aqua ran into Xehanort and mistook him for Terra. He beat her and imprisoned her in the underground lab in Radiant Gardens. He also separated her from her armor and keyblade. She would later run away.

Meanwhile, Xemnas constantly searched for his friends by manipulating the Organization XIII.

Also Xigbar knows his son is Xemnas and helps him in regret for mistreating his family. After realizing that Xehanort had attempted to attack Riku he is engulfed by darkness. This is when he discovers that he can’t wield a keyblade without his heart. This is when he decides to use Roxas to eliminate heartless to restore him. He gradually loses sight of his goals over time.

In 358/2 #14 and Maluxaria turn out to be spies who work for Venom.

I think KH3 will be the return of Venom, and that he is now a keyblade master. Though I won’t clarify on thoughts relating to VATs Master except that he/she is a new character.
(Note: this might be more than a bit more accurate than a theory???)
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[Nightmare]

don't feel like wasting my time on reading a useless theory... summarize in one or two sentaces someoe please...

[Guardian Soul]

Learn to use paragraphs, there's no way I'm reading all of that.

[Org14Kurix(Riku)]

Also note in the KH2 1st secret video (they show a figure in the clouds who resembles Sora; like his brother)

[Chevalier Sombre]

It's not all that much easier to read now. Again, paragraphs.

[O a t h keeper]

If Ven and Kairi are siblings, and as many theorize, Ven is part of Sora, and Sora is in love with Kairi... Isn't that a little bit awkward and not appropriate for a Disney game? o.o

And why are there two Vens? That makes absolutely NO sence. >.>

And Ansem the Wise FOUND Xehanort, practically dead. He didn't invite him to be his student.

The Kingdom Key’s keychain was actually the Prince’s marking.

Ven's marking was Mickey Mouse's head? O_o

[Org14Kurix(Riku)]

Originally Posted by O a t h keeper

If Ven and Kairi are siblings, and as many theorize, Ven is part of Sora, and Sora is in love with Kairi... Isn't that a little bit awkward and not appropriate for a Disney game? o.o

Keyword "Theorize" it's not wrong if Ven just resides in Sora and isn't part of him

And why are there two Vens? That makes absolutely NO sence. >.>

It shows the relation of wind and sky is by brothers as with earth and land and sort of with water and sea.

And Ansem the Wise FOUND Xehanort, practically dead. He didn't invite him to be his student.

3 words: Cave of Sleep

Ven's marking was Mickey Mouse's head? O_o

If you weren't skimming you'd have seen the next sentence.

[big don mega]

to long of a theory, i dont want to read it so i just wont vote

[O a t h keeper]

It shows the relation of wind and sky is by brothers as with earth and land and sort of with water and sea.

Um... what? That does NOT answer my question of why are there two Vens?

3 words: Cave of Sleep

And this has to do with Ansem finding Xehanort nearly dead, how...?

If you weren't skimming you'd have seen the next sentence.

Haha, you fail. I read the whole thing.
You added the next sentence in your post after reading what I posted. =P
You're pathetic.

[Roxas = Sora]

I am with everyone else on this, I am not going to even read it, so i am not going to vote. Sorry, maybe next time summarize it shorter, and (like lots of people have said) learn to use paragraphs.

[lux_crusader]

You totally missed the line between theory and fan fiction

[Zero Inferno]

I always thought the Heart was simply the power source to keep it all going, but that's me.

[soraaxel]

I can not read all of that. Do you think you can try to make it shorter? And I just read alittle of it, and aqua in not namines sister.

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by lux_crusader

You totally missed the line between theory and fan fiction

This sums it up quite nicely.

[OmniChaos]

Quit whining people...

Originally Posted by Org14Kurix(Riku)

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Next I would like to explain my theory on the characters and their orgins.
ATW (he has called them his people) was previously one of several Kings.

Possibly, but the previous king must had been horrid... AtW explains in his reports that it took him many years to turn RG into what it was...

He has 2 children, Ven_____ and Kairi (a princess from Radiant Gardens).

Neither look anything like him...
He never said anything to Kairi before he died and he never acted "fatherly" toward Roxas, who looks a lot like Ven...
So, I doubt they are his children...

ATW has an alliance with several other king’s including Agraba’s Sultan, the King of Disney (Not Mickey), The Kings of Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty though he also has enemies.

That's pushing it... Let's not forget that the worlds were most likely closed... But, I suppose they could have been opened, but I doubt they had any form of an alliance...

His followers at the time were Dilan (General), Even (Head Scientist), Aeleus (Head Spy), and Lenzo (kid genius and strategist)

...They were apprentices... Not military officers...

Venom- brother of Sora; father killed for refusing to fight in the war.

*facepalm* I thought this was cleared out... 'Venom' is just a name placeholder for the DS created by a magizene... Similar to how we call DS "DS", Xemnas in KH1 "EM", Master Xehanort "UEM", and so on...

Mickey- (A soldier and personal friend of ATW)

Mickey was an apprentice to Yen Sid... He did not meet AtW until after BBS, as Xehanort wrote...

the Eye of Ra on Riku’s keyblade since it was Osiris and Annubis’s weapon. I guess we can expect their mom to resemble Isis.

Unless you didn't notice, MX and DS also has the blue eye on their keyblades...

a fallen hero with an incredible lust for power; the current host of Xehanort,

I am assuming you are refering to MX and/or Xehanort...?

father of 2 children Terra and Riku.

No, no, no, no, no... Riku was born and raised on Destiny Island... He never mentioned a brother... Also, Terra and Riku look nothing alike... Nor does Riku and Xehanort/MX...

His wife (pregnant with Riku and she has silver hair) and Terra left him. Riku was unknown to Braig and Xehanort.

Braig never knew Xehanort until he appeared in Radient Garden...

Namine- An elite kid mage who’s sister is Aqua. She is also a PoH

*headdesk* Did you not play KH2...? Namine is Kairi's nobody... She is not a mage...

Demons of darkness- select warriors who are naturally dark; anti-princesses of heart

Perhaps...

Chasers- Creators of Key Chains, live in another dimension.

The word "Chasers" has yet to be defined... It could simply be someone who is chasing someone/something...

So as I've said before Xehanort is the name of the guardian and that is the one of the new enemies’ leaders.

...Xehanort is the name of the Master in BBS and the name of the mysterious man who AtW found... MX is most likely apart of Xehanort...

The MX is Braig and Xehanort.

Uggh... MX is his own being... Braig was with AtW and did not know Xehanort until he appeared in RG...

He isn’t shown using a keyblade because he can’t in that body.

*facepalm* MX is using a keyblade...

Plus, Braig is getting older so he goes out to find a replacement.

Just read above...

The MX finds him and corrupts him by teaching him about power and darkness.

But so far, MX seems to dislike darkness...

He seeks out MX with the intent of taking Xehanort’s power.

Again... MX is not made up of Braig and Xehanort... MX probablly makes up part of Xehanort...

and other unknown reasons, MX and Ven betray the other keyblade wielders and attempt to collect these people.

Ven is good, not evil... VAT were sent after MX and his apprentice, DS...

Ven wins, and now takes on the name Venom. Then Venom commences his operation knowing he will be Xehanort’s next body.

Read previous convo about Venom...

Thenduring this time VATs master recognizes the dangers of this new enemy[/indent]and send out his apprentices as he is sent out to war.

<_< You just said Ven was evil... But this is correct...

The stage is set, there are 14 targets to find in very little time. That’s why VAT splits up throughout the game. Though Terra (from VAT) also ran into MX at Olympus Coliseum.

MX sees Ven in OC... MX speaks to Terra in the wasteland...

After this MX heads to another area followed by VAT. This is where the video occurs. Terra uses fatal mode to intervene with the transformation and knocks Venom out of the way. This ends with Terra as the host, his hair now turned silver. Though a PoH was mortally wounded in the process. Then a young mage named Namine sacrifices herself to save Kairi by switching their hearts (transfers majority of her powers). On Terra’s request, Namine uses the last of her powers to hide his memories (which now include Xehanort’s), as well as hide Braig’s memories of being under Xehanort’s control as a safety measure.

*shoots self*
Okay... We did not see Kairi in the secret ending at all... If she was there in the secret ending, then I could see, but...
Also, Namine could manipulate Sora's memory only, which in turn effected those close to him... If she had the power to manipulate anyone, do you not think she would have just zapped Marluxia's mind in CoM and then run away...?
And finally, Braig was with AtW... Xehanort did not appear until after BBS...

ATW also invites Braig and Terra (never having run into them before) to study under him.

Braig was already his apprentice... And Terra never became his apprentice...

ATW arranges for his children to move to Destiny Islands.

Xehanort sent Kairi to Destiny Island... It says as much in his reports...

Ven felt darkness as I tried to er pain and manages to convince his girlfriend Aqua (who also has Namine’s powers to manipulate souls) to erase him, or transfer his soul to Sora. The Kingdom Key’s keychain was actually the Prince’s marking. It was a gift origionally given to Radiant Gardens from Disney Kingdom since they only had Princess Minnie. Oathkeeper was a charm from Ven given to Kairi. She then left to find Terra.

*facepalm*
I'm not even going to try on this one... It's just too bad...

In the future, ATW and his followers begin experimenting on the heart.

Yes, but AtW stopped...

If and you became a heartless then you and your nobody couldn’t exist at the same time unless you have two souls, right?

Heartless = heart... Nobody = Body & Soul...

So, once Xehanort became a heartless Terra’s soul became the nobody Xemnas (I guess existing at the same time creates another body).

No... Nobodies are body and soul... The reason Xeahnort's heartless kept his human form is still somewhat a mystery... Most just believe because either his heart was so powerful or that his heart was (pretty much) pure darkness...

This would mean that Xehanort would have complete control of Terra’s body or Ansem while Terra has complete control of Xemnas as his memories return.

Read above...

So Aqua ran into Xehanort and mistook him for Terra. He beat her and imprisoned her in the underground lab in Radiant Gardens. He also separated her from her armor and keyblade. She would later run away.

Maybe...

Meanwhile, Xemnas constantly searched for his friends by manipulating the Organization XIII.

Xemnas used the Org to get power...

Also Xigbar knows his son is Xemnas and helps him in regret for mistreating his family.

Xigbar was just one of the six apprentices that founded the Org...

This is when he discovers that he can’t wield a keyblade without his heart.

If he had memory of wielding one, he should be able to... Similar to Roxas...

In 358/2 #14 and Maluxaria turn out to be spies who work for Venom.

Just no...

Also note in the KH2 1st secret video (they show a figure in the clouds who resembles Sora; like his brother)

Erm... How...? The shadow looked nothing like Sora... Let's not forget that the shadow turns out to be MX... Though, I would say the shadow is concept... Basically, how I see it, MX and DS splitting in the 2nd secret ending is foreshadowment of their fusion... The shadow in the first secret ending is the person that is resulted from that fusion... And, how I see it, the only person the shadow could possible look like is Xehanort...