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Old 05/16/08, 07:57 AM   #31
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Yeah, but from what we have seen, Axel never had memory loss... Meaning, he should be able to wield a keyblade...
Exactly, but, what you had said, and all you had said, was Axel doesn't have a keyblade, yet the DS does.
I was correcting that statement only.

Sparking an idea, maybe it's not just the memories, but it has to do with your 'other' still being alive and about.

Because Roxas certainly had no memories, but Sora did. Xemnas had no memories, and his other had no memories, but also was 'ded' too.

What if Xehanort were alive and about like Sora, but still had no memories. I wonder, would Xemnas or he have a keyblade or not?
Well, Xehanort MUST of had a keyblade to open that door, right?

...wait...

...oh shit, AQUA'S keyblade could have been the one he was using! Because you don't need to be a keyblade master in order to use one, only have a strong heart like with Kairi and...

Ah...so the DS being Xehanort has jumped 20% for me....
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Old 05/16/08, 08:17 AM   #32
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Sparking an idea, maybe it's not just the memories, but it has to do with your 'other' still being alive and about.
To extrapolate on this... maybe a nobody's other needs to be not simply alive and well, but be in possession of his/her own keyblade at the time. This would explain why Roxas was able to conjure up a keyblade for his own use - the keyblade he used might be a shadow (or even a sort of keyblade-nobody) of the real one Sora kept even after he became a heartless. Conversely, Xehanort's heartless never had his own keyblade (aside from the dark one he briefly used whilst possessing Riku, but there may be special circumstances involved there), which would explain why Xemnas didn't have one.

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What if Xehanort were alive and about like Sora, but still had no memories. I wonder, would Xemnas or he have a keyblade or not?
Well, Xehanort MUST of had a keyblade to open that door, right?

...wait...

...oh shit, AQUA'S keyblade could have been the one he was using! Because you don't need to be a keyblade master in order to use one, only have a strong heart like with Kairi and...
This is making new ideas jump about in my head as well. Are you saying Xehanort used her keyblade before he separated into heartless and nobody? Which would explain why Xemnas couldn't use it, even though he knew where it was stored. If he found a way to make some use of its power while still a nobody, he obviously couldn't wield it in battle, or he would have done so.
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Old 05/16/08, 05:03 PM   #33
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Your theory about looking at the moon and turning eyes yellow, King Mickey looked at the moon as well at the end of the video. Now, if you say that it's only people, then we'll see.
ok tonight is the curse of the were rabbit so that made me up to an idea,

I read sumwhere ( theory) that VAT could be MX apprentices or sumthin, maybe....MX casted a spell on Terra tha -t he can absorb the power of KH....but this is just a theory and its a lil bit stupid
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Saix also got yellow eyes when he channeled power from the moon (werewolf-esque isn't he, even the hair is sort of wild/wolfy), just like Terra's eyes do in BbS.
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Old 05/16/08, 05:11 PM   #35
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ok tonight is the curse of the were rabbit so that made me up to an idea,

I read sumwhere ( theory) that VAT could be MX apprentices or sumthin, maybe....MX casted a spell on Terra tha -t he can absorb the power of KH....but this is just a theory and its a lil bit stupid
Terra, Aqua and Ven were sent by another master entirely to find MX and his apprentice (DS). So no.
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Terra, Aqua and Ven were sent by another master entirely to find MX and his apprentice (DS). So no.
In which I'm hoping it'll be a freshly made characters, not another Final Fantasy or Disney cameo. >_>
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Terra, Aqua and Ven were sent by another master entirely to find MX and his apprentice (DS). So no.
Is that confirmed? There could have been other hidden purposes for one of VAT or their master him-/herself for all we know.

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In which I'm hoping it'll be a freshly made characters, not another Final Fantasy or Disney cameo. >_>
Definitely. They wouldn't use a mere cameo for something as significant as that. (I think we could call Mickey and maybe even Yen Sid a sort of "original character" to Kingdom Hearts by now, if that's what you meant.)
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Is that confirmed? There could have been other hidden purposes for one of VAT or their master him-/herself for all we know.
Fine, we don't know if it's *entirely*. Suppose I should have worded that differently. We do know their master is NOT MX however, and that was the point I was emphasizing.
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Definitely. They wouldn't use a mere cameo for something as significant as that. (I think we could call Mickey and maybe even Yen Sid a sort of "original character" to Kingdom Hearts by now, if that's what you meant.)
Well yeah, he's basically the one that to date; is the "first" Master.
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Well, Xehanort MUST of had a keyblade to open that door, right?

...wait...

...oh shit, AQUA'S keyblade could have been the one he was using! Because you don't need to be a keyblade master in order to use one, only have a strong heart like with Kairi and...
Good eye... That could very well explain how Xehanort opened the door...

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Ah...so the DS being Xehanort has jumped 20% for me....
My opinon is unswayed... Too many MX characteristics involved...
I'm still set that DS is part of Xehanort, but not that he is...
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Good eye... That could very well explain how Xehanort opened the door...

Forgive me for not being able to follow this conversation, but what door are we talking about? The one in the first Kingdom Hearts?
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Forgive me for not being able to follow this conversation, but what door are we talking about? The one in the first Kingdom Hearts?
The door Xehanort opened in Radient Garden that was spoke of in the Xehanort's Reports...
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Thanks, I've got to read those again at some point.
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