Three Things That Might Be Worth Mentioning...

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Detronilizer

1.) At the end of the KH2:FM secret ending, Terra does something a bit strange: just before he takes off his helmet, he stabs his Keyblade into the ground. Now why would he do this? Anyone could understand it if he was merely trying to get up, but he didn't; he stayed kneeling there. He could've just left the Keyblade where it was instead of getting it and stabbing it.

Most likely a sign of frustration... He just got his butt handed to him by MX...
In other words, insignificant...

There are thousands of other Keyblades stabbed into the ground as well. Is this how the other Keyblade wielders disappeared - by doing whatever Terra was doing: giving up the Keyblade and then looking into KH, doing who knows what to them?

Unlikely... The other keyblades are either a "Keyblade Graveyard", honoring those who had fallen in the Keyblade Wars or a concept, showing MX is using the power of the keyblades/keyblade wielders as his own...

The way Terra was doing that "final act" makes this idea seem more plausible. Like, Terra seemed tired out, stabbed his Keyblade, then in an "alright, here goes..." manner, he reaches for his helmet and takes it off, looks up into KH, and his eyes turn yellow. Hmm, I just had a thought: Those helmets' visors could be used to prevent people's eyes from becoming yellow when they look into that moon. But I guess that's another theory...

Unlikely... This theory is disproven by the fact that MX has no helmet on and his eyes are not yellow...
Terra's eyes turning yellow may simply be him using a "last resort" attack...

2.) This one may bring good news to both the "DS was Ven's friend" and the "DS is Axel" theorists. After careful analysis of the secret ending, I could see that the DS is the same height as Ven, in SE meaning about the same age. Some of the shots are angled in such ways that the DS might look taller than MX at one point, then as tall as Terra at another (a screenshot of BBS proved that Terra is taller than MX). But at a few mid-shots, I could see that the DS is actually shorter than MX, and if you pause it at the right time, when Ven tries to get his first few hits on the DS near the beginning, you can get a frame of Ven and the DS crouching the same amount, and their heights are the same. This could prove that the DS is around 15 in BBS meaning about 26 in KH2 (as Axel) which makes sense, if the theories are true. Besides, the DS' shoes are big, which in SE traditionally means he's young.

Biggest problem with the "DS is Axel" theory, is the fact that Axel and DS' body structure are completely and totaly different... Axel has a skinny built... DS, on the other hand, has a muscular built just like Terra does...
It could be possible that DS was Ven's friend, but the scan that shows DS standing in front of a fallen Ven somewhat blows this idea out of the water...

3.) Now, this one may bring bad news to the "Terra is Xehanort" theorists. The very first Secret Ansem Report states that Ansem found Xehanort collapsed in the street and took him in years ago. Heartless existed just 9 years before KH1 according to Leon, meaning Xehanort should've created them just a year after BBS. Yet, the Report said years, not year. This means Terra can't be Xehanort because Xehanort already existed during Terra's time. Unless a mistranslation occured like with the apprentices' names in the later Reports, people may have to dismiss this idea.

Wrong... Aside form that report, Xigbar himself stated that Xehanort appeared in Radient Garden after "warriors who battled with blades that looked like keys left", in other words, the characters in BBS...

[HadesDragon]

Wow, I knew I was forgetting something. The body structure, of course. Thanks Omni. =3

[Detronilizer]

Yep, I thought the first one wouldn't impress too many.

Originally Posted by OmniChaos

Biggest problem with the "DS is Axel" theory, is the fact that Axel and DS' body structure are completely and totaly different... Axel has a skinny built... DS, on the other hand, has a muscular built just like Terra does...
It could be possible that DS was Ven's friend, but the scan that shows DS standing in front of a fallen Ven somewhat blows this idea out of the water...

True, true. About the body structures, well, this can't actually be disproved but his body shape could've changed after ten years. Plus, his Nobody's body could've been different from his other's. Look at Xehanort, Xemnas looks pretty muscular compared to him, so why can't the opposite have happened to Axel? And about the friends matter, I said Ven was the DS' friend. Obviously something happened that made them go against each other.

Originally Posted by OmniChaos

Wrong... Aside form that report, Xigbar himself stated that Xehanort appeared in Radient Garden after "warriors who battled with blades that looked like keys left", in other words, the characters in BBS...

Weeeelll... We don't know when the Keyblade War occured, do we? As far as we know, it could've actually happened before BBS' time. I'm sure Keyblade wielders have existed for a long time.

[HadesDragon]

Originally Posted by Detronilizer

Weeeelll... We don't know when the Keyblade War occured, do we? As far as we know, it could've actually happened before BBS' time. I'm sure Keyblade wielders have existed for a long time.

Except Nomura confirmed Xigbar was specifically talking about Ven, Aqua, and Terra.

Question: We’d like to inquire about the new secret movie “Birth By Sleep”. In the new event “The Truth about the Chamber of Sleep”, Xigbar mentions a “group that wields Keyblades”. Is he talking about the 3 armored people in the movie?

Nomura: Yes, Xigbar witnessed them when he was a disciple to Ansem the Wise.

I would say their struggles in BBS are probably the "great battles" of which he spoke of...

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by Detronilizer

True, true. About the body structures, well, this can't actually be disproved but his body shape could've changed after ten years. Plus, his Nobody's body could've been different from his other's. Look at Xehanort, Xemnas looks pretty muscular compared to him, so why can't the opposite have happened to Axel? And about the friends matter, I said Ven was the DS' friend. Obviously something happened that made them go against each other.

To add on...
If Axel were the DS, then his nobody should be able to weild a keyblade...
But, since he doesn't...

Also, we do not know if Ven was DS' friend...

Weeeelll... We don't know when the Keyblade War occured, do we? As far as we know, it could've actually happened before BBS' time. I'm sure Keyblade wielders have existed for a long time.

Like Hades said...

[Detronilizer]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

Except Nomura confirmed Xigbar was specifically talking about Ven, Aqua, and Terra.

Okay then, my mistake. Still, that chunk of text baffles me. Translations from fans all say:

"The young man has served me ever since I nursed him back from death's door some years ago."

And the official english version is:

"Since I found him collapsed in the street all those years ago and took him in, he has become a youth who serves me well."

[V.A.T.13]

To add on...
If Axel were the DS, then his nobody should be able to weild a keyblade...
But, since he doesn't...

Also, we do not know if Ven was DS' friend...

Actually....no.

Seeing as we know Terra, and MX both have keyblades and we KNOW either/and are part of Xemnas in some form, and Xem does not wield a blade.

I can see the DS and Ven being close in someway, but of course I agree with you that Axel has very little chance of being the DS. Axel was a popular character, but his role isn't really that big.

Hades: Actually, there are plural words in Japanese it's just...a bit different.
Like in talking about people:
we, us = -tachi, futari
for most objects = hitotsu(1), futatsu(2), mitsu(3), yottsu(4) etc.
Although, my book says that the above shouldn't used to refer to people, yet I've heard a number of characters say "hitori" when refering to themselves...

Oh wait...I get it...nvm...

Okay then, my mistake. Still, that chunk of text baffles me. Translations from fans all say:

"The young man has served me ever since I nursed him back from death's door some years ago."

And the official english version is:

"Since I found him collapsed in the street all those years ago and took him in, he has become a youth who serves me well."

It was Briag, not Xiggy, that saw the knights 10 years ago.

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by V.A.T.13

Actually....no.

Seeing as we know Terra, and MX both have keyblades and we KNOW either/and are part of Xemnas in some form, and Xem does not wield a blade.

Actually... yes...
That is because, like Roxas, without their memories of wielding a keyblade, they cannot wield one...

I can see the DS and Ven being close in someway, but of course I agree with you that Axel has very little chance of being the DS. Axel was a popular character, but his role isn't really that big.

Though I do agree DS could be Ven's friend, there is no proof of such... That is all I'm saying...

It was Briag, not Xiggy, that saw the knights 10 years ago.

Meh... Still more or less the same person... Xigbar is just Birag + X and Briag - a Heart...
Everyone knows who being talked about... =P

[KCDjedi]

Originally Posted by -Arcana-X-

Your theory about looking at the moon and turning eyes yellow, King Mickey looked at the moon as well at the end of the video. Now, if you say that it's only people, then we'll see.

Aqua (definitely) and Ven (sort of) both looked at the moon and their eyes didn't turn yellow. I just took it to be a sort of Saix-berserk-mode kind of thing.

[UrbanQuattrus]

Originally Posted by Detronilizer

1.) At the end of the KH2:FM secret ending, Terra does something a bit strange: just before he takes off his helmet, he stabs his Keyblade into the ground. Now why would he do this?

Maybe the keyblade graveyard (or whatever) they're fighting on is some sort of special keyblade battery, and stabbing his into the ground would allow it to charge up. You know, like an iPod.

Originally Posted by Detronilizer

2.) This one may bring good news to both the "DS was Ven's friend" and the "DS is Axel" theorists. After careful analysis of the secret ending, I could see that the DS is the same height as Ven, in SE meaning about the same age. Some of the shots are angled in such ways that the DS might look taller than MX at one point, then as tall as Terra at another (a screenshot of BBS proved that Terra is taller than MX). But at a few mid-shots, I could see that the DS is actually shorter than MX, and if you pause it at the right time, when Ven tries to get his first few hits on the DS near the beginning, you can get a frame of Ven and the DS crouching the same amount, and their heights are the same. This could prove that the DS is around 15 in BBS meaning about 26 in KH2 (as Axel) which makes sense, if the theories are true. Besides, the DS' shoes are big, which in SE traditionally means he's young.

Or maybe the DS that we see is someone else's body being possessed, which could be any form and size - take Riku when he was possessed by Xehanort's heartless, for example.

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

Probably a mistranslation then. There is overwhelming evidence that Terra is Xehanort in some form(same goes for MX), it makes absolutely no sense for Xehanort to have already existed during BBS.

You are correct, Japanese nouns have only the one form... so this would be a very easy thing to mistranslate.

[HeartlesGuardian]

Originally Posted by OmniChaos

To add on...
If Axel were the DS, then his nobody should be able to weild a keyblade...
But, since he doesn't...

Following this train of logic, you've disproved every single Xehanort=MX,Terra, or DS theory

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by HeartlesGuardian

Following this train of logic, you've disproved every single Xehanort=MX,Terra, or DS theory

Read...

Originally Posted by OmniChaos

Actually... yes...
That is because, like Roxas, without their memories of wielding a keyblade, they cannot wield one...

As you can see, do to the fact that Xehanort lost his memories before he appeared in Radient Garden, he lost all prior knowledge of wielding the keyblade... Thus, without knowing he could, Xehanort/Xemnas could not wield a keyblade...

[Organization_42]

One of the major problems with the Axel= DS theory is that we've never seen any real signs of such a past in COM or KH2. And if DS was friends with Ven, and DS was Axel, and as far as we know, Axel didn't lose his memories from before becoming a Nobody, well, don't you think that would've effected his friendship with Roxas? Even if Roxas and Ven aren't related, they look exactly alike. If Axel used to be DS, I'd expect him to be avoiding Roxas at all costs, not buying him ice cream.

Originally Posted by Detronilizer

1.) At the end of the KH2:FM secret ending, Terra does something a bit strange: just before he takes off his helmet, he stabs his Keyblade into the ground. Now why would he do this? Anyone could understand it if he was merely trying to get up, but he didn't; he stayed kneeling there. He could've just left the Keyblade where it was instead of getting it and stabbing it.

There's also the possibility that he was simply exhausted from the fight, and stayed on the ground for a little while longer before he used the Keyblade to lift himself up again. But it's been a long time since I've seen the secret movie, so I don't know how tired he looked.

[V.A.T.13]

Actually... yes...
That is because, like Roxas, without their memories of wielding a keyblade, they cannot wield one...

Exactly. It has something to do with memories.
All you said was the DS couldn't be Axel because Axel didn't have a keyblade.

Meh... Still more or less the same person... Xigbar is just Birag + X and Briag - a Heart...
Everyone knows who being talked about... =P

Well, I was mentioning this because of the amount of time they were talking about.
Braig existed 10 yrs ago. To say Xigbar saw them would change things.

[OmniChaos]

Originally Posted by V.A.T.13

Exactly. It has something to do with memories.
All you said was the DS couldn't be Axel because Axel didn't have a keyblade.

Yeah, but from what we have seen, Axel never had memory loss... Meaning, he should be able to wield a keyblade...