My theory

[incognito]

Ok, I know the story told by kairi's grandma isn't completely true as stated by nomura. (I think)

I think the worlds at the time before were one huge world or more likely they were all connected.
And while they where all connected or "one" world they had or shared one heart (Kingdom Hearts) which the people called the light.

I think darkness was always there, but just to give balance. But as the story says I think they began to get greedy for the light aollowing it to invade their hearts.

The ones who were chosen by the light to protect or keep the balance as it were had the power to seal the heart away or any threat to it. But cause of the greed for the light grew allowing the dark to spread to even more hearts eventaully it would reach the protectors as well.

When it did the ones who remained true to the light and the ones who wanted it began to fight.
One side to protect it and one to obtain it. This fight grew until it reached all the world or all the connected worlds. Resulting in war.

As more people gave in to the invading darkness it spread until it eclisped everything including the light itself. Those who manged to survive took fragments of the eclisped light and use these fragments to "lift" or push back the darness. Which make the worlds we know now.

These fragments are whats behind the doors in kh 1 the doors sora seals. Otherwise known as the heart of that world. I think the heartless go through the keyhole to get past the door to that light. And when they eclispe or devour that light fragment (the heart of that world) it results in darkness covering it again.

As for the light or the heart of the world the darkness that kept balance (which invaded the greedy hearts) was sealed away by the protectors which resulted in the dark realm.

And to further protect form darkness I think the walls that seperate them now were made.

But due to the war many protectors were wiped out, cause of the shape of their "key" shaped weapons the protectors where called key bearers by others.

Well I think that maybe MX is a surviver or a student of a surviver (depending on when this took place).
MX says something like him being consumed by darkness and some people in the forums say he was taken over by a dark being of some sort.

If he was conquered then I think that what conquered him wanted to cause another "dark eclispe" and spread darkness once again.

But VAT's master sensed it and sent them to stop him. Why he didn't go himself I have no idea.
(I refuse to think that mickey or yen sid is their master)

And the kh we see in the bbs scans is the original kh. As seen in the ending of kh1. But since heartless didn't exist yet, I think the new enemies are some sort of "corrupted light" creature made by MX to find whatever it is he needs to find or get kh.

(To support the kh in kh1 is the original, if you at it it's a huge heart covered in darkness.)
(To support what I said about the sealed heart being the dark realm, think about it the door to kh is called "The Door To Darkness")

Finally VAT stops him and either they reseal the door or keep him from opening it. But it costs them dearly resulting in their disappearence.

As for the gathering place I think it could be where the last battle between the keybearers or protectors happened. I'm not saying it's the end of the war just the last battle.

Afterwards Atw finds a man near death and saves him. All he remebers is the name Xehanort.
Who's heartless and nobody both try to obtain kh.
But with all or most keybearers gone besides mickey gone the light in kh choses a knew keybearer or protector to stop the "new" Xehanort.

I don't what the connection is to MX I'll leave that for people to argue about. I'm waiting to see in bbs.

If you remeber the voice sora hears tells him in the begining and in the ending of kh1 he will open the door to light.

I believe sora will open this door and restore the worlds to what they use to be (which will probly be how the kh story will end). And if there is any dark keybearers left he will defeat them as well ending the war. That is if the war wasn't ended when the darkness eclisped everything.

As for those who state how the worlds open paths for sora in kh2, what if the paths were always there just left sealed by the first keybearers or protectors.

[Organization_42]

Originally Posted by incognito

Ok, I know the story told by kairi's grandma isn't completely true as stated by nomura. (I think)

He said it was a legend/fairy tale, so it's not clear how much of it is true and how much was made up.

Originally Posted by incognito

I think the worlds at the time before were one huge world or more likely they were all connected.
And while they where all connected or "one" world they had or shared one heart (Kingdom Hearts) which the people called the light.

I think darkness was always there, but just to give balance. But as the story says I think they began to get greedy for the light aollowing it to invade their hearts.

The ones who were chosen by the light to protect or keep the balance as it were had the power to seal the heart away or any threat to it. But cause of the greed for the light grew allowing the dark to spread to even more hearts eventaully it would reach the protectors as well.

When it did the ones who remained true to the light and the ones who wanted it began to fight.
One side to protect it and one to obtain it. This fight grew until it reached all the world or all the connected worlds. Resulting in war.

As more people gave in to the invading darkness it spread until it eclisped everything including the light itself. Those who manged to survive took fragments of the eclisped light and use these fragments to "lift" or push back the darness. Which make the worlds we know now.

Yeah, that pretty much follows the legend, except for the part about Keybearers and darkness always existing in some form. It makes sense, but I had figured that Keyblades were created because of the dark eclipse, to save the worlds from perishing.

Originally Posted by incognito

These fragments are whats behind the doors in kh 1 the doors sora seals. Otherwise known as the heart of that world. I think the heartless go through the keyhole to get past the door to that light. And when they eclispe or devour that light fragment (the heart of that world) it results in darkness covering it again.

Pretty much. They also use dark corridors to travel from world to world.

Originally Posted by incognito

As for the light or the heart of the world the darkness that kept balance (which invaded the greedy hearts) was sealed away by the protectors which resulted in the dark realm.

And to further protect form darkness I think the walls that seperate them now were made.

But due to the war many protectors were wiped out, cause of the shape of their "key" shaped weapons the protectors where called key bearers by others.

That sounds right. But how would sealing the heart of all worlds result in the Dark Realm?

Originally Posted by incognito

Well I think that maybe MX is a surviver or a student of a surviver (depending on when this took place).
MX says something like him being consumed by darkness and some people in the forums say he was taken over by a dark being of some sort.

No, Birth By Sleep takes place ten years before Kingdom Hearts, and I don't think this war and dark eclipse could have happened so recently. Based on your theory, if all the worlds were once connected, but became separated, you'd think that the inhabitants of that world would remember that. But they don't. In fact, most of them seem to have no idea that other worlds exist. Goofy mentioned that the existence of more than one world was supposed to be a secret, back when he and Donald first met Aerith. So Master Xehanort wouldn't have been alive during the time of this great war.

Originally Posted by incognito

If he was conquered then I think that what conquered him wanted to cause another "dark eclispe" and spread darkness once again.

Or it could be another situation where he was originally trying to gain more knowledge and power, which attracted him to darkness, and he became consumed by it.

Originally Posted by incognito

But VAT's master sensed it and sent them to stop him. Why he didn't go himself I have no idea.

Because once you become a master, you hire other people to do the dirty work for you!

Originally Posted by incognito

And the kh we see in the bbs scans is the original kh. As seen in the ending of kh1. But since heartless didn't exist yet, I think the new enemies are some sort of "corrupted light" creature made by MX to find whatever it is he needs to find or get kh.

I don't think MX created them, but maybe they are creatures made from actual darkness.

Originally Posted by incognito

Finally VAT stops him and either they reseal the door or keep him from opening it. But it costs them dearly resulting in their disappearence.

Judging from the way he easily held back Terra and Aqua and took out Ven, I think it's more likely that they failed to stop him, but MX underestimated the power of Kingdom Hearts and it destroyed him (and possibly VAT as well).

Originally Posted by incognito

As for the gathering place I think it could be where the last battle between the keybearers or protectors happened. I'm not saying it's the end of the war just the last battle.

It's possible.

Originally Posted by incognito

Afterwards Atw finds a man near death and saves him. All he remebers is the name Xehanort.
Who's heartless and nobody both try to obtain kh.
But with all or most keybearers gone besides mickey gone the light in kh choses a knew keybearer or protector to stop the "new" Xehanort.

I don't think Mickey was a Keyblade master at that particular time; that's why he was so desperate for Donald and Goofy to find the new Keybearer. He found his Keyblade in the Dark Realm.

Originally Posted by incognito

If you remeber the voice sora hears tells him in the begining and in the ending of kh1 he will open the door to light.

I believe sora will open this door and restore the worlds to what they use to be (which will probly be how the kh story will end). And if there is any dark keybearers left he will defeat them as well ending the war. That is if the war wasn't ended when the darkness eclisped everything.

If you mean that the worlds would be connected again, I'm not sure if that's possible. They've been separated for too long, and they've all developed different kinds of people and histories. And there doesn't seem to be a war going on right now. It could be one of those things where it stops and starts whenever light and darkness come into serious conflict.

As far as we know, there aren't any "dark" Keybearers around. Just Sora/Roxas, Riku, Mickey, and possibly Kairi.

Originally Posted by incognito

As for those who state how the worlds open paths for sora in kh2, what if the paths were always there just left sealed by the first keybearers or protectors.

Yes, someone must've sealed them, because Sora had to unlock the paths before he could proceed.

I like some of your ideas, especially the ones about darkness resulting from greedy desire for the light. It goes with the theme of keeping things in balance, where things and situations only become a problem when you let yourself obsess over them. As far as we know, Riku's the only one who's managed to strike a balance between the forces of dark and light, this could be important for later events.

[UrbanQuattrus]

Originally Posted by Organization_42

Or it could be another situation where he was originally trying to gain more knowledge and power, which attracted him to darkness, and he became consumed by it.

I think so, too. Xehanort's purpose beyond all others seems to be the acquisition of knowledge and understanding.

Originally Posted by Organization_42

Judging from the way he easily held back Terra and Aqua and took out Ven, I think it's more likely that they failed to stop him, but MX underestimated the power of Kingdom Hearts and it destroyed him (and possibly VAT as well).

Or rather than destroy him, it destroyed most of his memories - and somehow turned him into the young-looking Xehanort we know. (Whether or not that encompasses the speculated possession of Terra's body I'll leave alone for now.)

Originally Posted by Organization_42

I don't think Mickey was a Keyblade master at that particular time; that's why he was so desperate for Donald and Goofy to find the new Keybearer. He found his Keyblade in the Dark Realm.

This is something that has made me wonder: We know that Mickey had a keyblade back then, so did he lose that one between BBS and KH1?

Originally Posted by Organization_42

As far as we know, there aren't any "dark" Keybearers around. Just Sora/Roxas, Riku, Mickey, and possibly Kairi.

Save, perhaps, for Master Xehanort himself, though of course we don't know enough about him to determine anything.

Originally Posted by incognito

The ones who were chosen by the light to protect or keep the balance as it were had the power to seal the heart away or any threat to it. But cause of the greed for the light grew allowing the dark to spread to even more hearts eventaully it would reach the protectors as well.

When it did the ones who remained true to the light and the ones who wanted it began to fight.
One side to protect it and one to obtain it. This fight grew until it reached all the world or all the connected worlds. Resulting in war.

I like this take on it. Good ideas, both of you.

[kurokitsunefang]

Originally Posted by incognito

Ok, I know the story told by kairi's grandma isn't completely true.

DO NOT MESS WITH GRANDMA, SHE'LL GET Kairi AN HER FLOURY KEY TO KILL U IN UR SLEEP!!

[Organization_42]

^ LOL Well, I guess that means I'm dead!

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

Or rather than destroy him, it destroyed most of his memories - and somehow turned him into the young-looking Xehanort we know. (Whether or not that encompasses the speculated possession of Terra's body I'll leave alone for now.)

You're right, that makes more sense.

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

This is something that has made me wonder: We know that Mickey had a keyblade back then, so did he lose that one between BBS and KH1?

Maybe he went to the Dark Realm before, and he physically lost it there? But that wouldn't work, because Sora's always been able to summon his Keyblade without any problems, except when Riku stole it. I can't see how someone would have stolen Mickey's Keyblade.

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

Save, perhaps, for Master Xehanort himself, though of course we don't know enough about him to determine anything.

Yeah, but from what we know he's not alive anymore (until his Heartless and Nobody rejoin) and even then his powers may be worthless if he can't remember how to use them.

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

I like this take on it. Good ideas, both of you.

Thanks!

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by incognito

Ok, I know the story told by kairi's grandma isn't completely true as stated by nomura. (I think)

As Organization_42 stated before, it’s imprecise as such, but based upon a true story.

Originally Posted by incognito

I think the worlds at the time before were one huge world or more likely they were all connected.
And while they where all connected or "one" world they had or shared one heart (Kingdom Hearts) which the people called the light.

I believe the worlds are interconnected via the Kingdom Hearts, but not joined together figuratively speaking. Also how would it be known as the World of “light”?

Originally Posted by incognito

I think darkness was always there, but just to give balance. But as the story says I think they began to get greedy for the light aollowing it to invade their hearts.

If you are referring to the Chinese philosophy, yin and yang, then let me note that I’ve tried to comprehend this theory within relevance to Kingdom hearts and was sadly declined, due to ‘lack of plausibility’, but hey I’m all for it.

Also here is a quote from Ansem Report 1;

I believe that Darkness sleeps in every heart, no matter how pure. Given the chance, the smallest drop can spread and swallow the heart. I have witnessed it many times.

Originally Posted by incognito

The ones who were chosen by the light to protect or keep the balance as it were had the power to seal the heart away or any threat to it. But cause of the greed for the light grew allowing the dark to spread to even more hearts eventaully it would reach the protectors as well.

The concept of ‘where there is light there is dark, vice-versa’ plays an important part in this game, but yes this is plausible. Keyblade warriors have to have a strong heart; it doesn’t necessarily say you have to be a heart of ‘light’, as Riku has showed us in the past.

Originally Posted by incognito

When it did the ones who remained true to the light and the ones who wanted it began to fight.
One side to protect it and one to obtain it. This fight grew until it reached all the world or all the connected worlds. Resulting in war.

This is plausible however, however the question I raise you, if they are not Heartless or Nobody’s, then why do they seek the power of Kingdom Hearts?

Originally Posted by incognito

As more people gave in to the invading darkness it spread until it eclisped everything including the light itself. Those who manged to survive took fragments of the eclisped light and use these fragments to "lift" or push back the darness. Which make the worlds we know now.

These fragments are whats behind the doors in kh 1 the doors sora seals. Otherwise known as the heart of that world. I think the heartless go through the keyhole to get past the door to that light. And when they eclispe or devour that light fragment (the heart of that world) it results in darkness covering it again.

Yeah this is the part that I find most unlikely. The whole concept of fragments of light being our gateways seems farfetched. The gateways are simply channels that open through our continuum, exiting via another.

Originally Posted by incognito

As for the light or the heart of the world the darkness that kept balance (which invaded the greedy hearts) was sealed away by the protectors which resulted in the dark realm.

And to further protect form darkness I think the walls that seperate them now were made.

This also infers towards my other statement; Everything that is light must have dark, so this is simply the coexisting partner.

Originally Posted by incognito

Well I think that maybe MX is a surviver or a student of a surviver (depending on when this took place).
MX says something like him being consumed by darkness and some people in the forums say he was taken over by a dark being of some sort.

If he was conquered then I think that what conquered him wanted to cause another "dark eclispe" and spread darkness once again.

Within reason I’d say I agree with this statement, but it seems quite distorted as such. The motive isn’t there.

Originally Posted by incognito

But VAT's master sensed it and sent them to stop him. Why he didn't go himself I have no idea.
(I refuse to think that mickey or yen sid is their master)

Have you thought that this would be a test of sorts to prove the trio’s abilities, or this could simply be a mission within the very midst of a war? Not because the master simply didn’t want to?

Originally Posted by incognito

(To support what I said about the sealed heart being the dark realm, think about it the door to kh is called "The Door To Darkness")

Finally VAT stops him and either they reseal the door or keep him from opening it. But it costs them dearly resulting in their disappearence.

Or they simply die in battle?

Originally Posted by incognito

As for the gathering place I think it could be where the last battle between the keybearers or protectors happened. I'm not saying it's the end of the war just the last battle.

This could be the pretentious battlefield where the war has been raging for many a year. We don’t know?

Originally Posted by Organization_42

No, Birth By Sleep takes place ten years before Kingdom Hearts, and I don't think this war and dark eclipse could have happened so recently. Based on your theory, if all the worlds were once connected, but became separated, you'd think that the inhabitants of that world would remember that. But they don't. In fact, most of them seem to have no idea that other worlds exist. Goofy mentioned that the existence of more than one world was supposed to be a secret, back when he and Donald first met Aerith. So Master Xehanort wouldn't have been alive during the time of this great war.

Even thought the timeline is a far stretch, the battle of light and dark is a forever waging battle. There’ll always be the concept of the two entities clashing. Maybe would be oblivious to the idea of the war if they didn’t need to know about it, take Sora, Riku and Kairi for example before the attack on Destiny Islands they simply couldn’t comprehend the thought of what was out there.

Originally Posted by Organization_42

I don't think Mickey was a Keyblade master at that particular time; that's why he was so desperate for Donald and Goofy to find the new Keybearer. He found his Keyblade in the Dark Realm.

He’d be able to wield a Keyblade, but not be a Keyblade Master as such.

Originally Posted by Organization_42

If you mean that the worlds would be connected again, I'm not sure if that's possible. They've been separated for too long, and they've all developed different kinds of people and histories. And there doesn't seem to be a war going on right now. It could be one of those things where it stops and starts whenever light and darkness come into serious conflict.

As far as we know, there aren't any "dark" Keybearers around. Just Sora/Roxas, Riku, Mickey, and possibly Kairi.

The balance would be able to be restored by sealing the correct forces, but yes, this doesn’t mean the inhabitants of the worlds would come together?

Originally Posted by Organization_42

Yes, someone must've sealed them, because Sora had to unlock the paths before he could proceed.

I like some of your ideas, especially the ones about darkness resulting from greedy desire for the light. It goes with the theme of keeping things in balance, where things and situations only become a problem when you let yourself obsess over them. As far as we know, Riku's the only one who's managed to strike a balance between the forces of dark and light, this could be important for later events.

Correct, this is a good theory nevertheless, keep at it.

Originally Posted by kurokitsunefang

DO NOT MESS WITH GRANDMA, SHE'LL GET Kairi AN HER FLOURY KEY TO KILL U IN UR SLEEP!!

Was that really necessary?

[UrbanQuattrus]

Originally Posted by Organization_42

Maybe he went to the Dark Realm before, and he physically lost it there? But that wouldn't work, because Sora's always been able to summon his Keyblade without any problems, except when Riku stole it. I can't see how someone would have stolen Mickey's Keyblade.

Maybe Mickey willingly gave it up for something, or to make something happen...

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by Organization_42

Maybe he went to the Dark Realm before, and he physically lost it there? But that wouldn't work, because Sora's always been able to summon his Keyblade without any problems, except when Riku stole it. I can't see how someone would have stolen Mickey's Keyblade.

Maybe he simply chooses not to wield this particular Keyblade? Personal preference?

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

Maybe Mickey willingly gave it up for something, or to make something happen...

Exactly, or the simple fact the Keyblade you see him wield in previous games were more powerful?

[incognito]

@gungonx@

When I said all worlds were one or connected (I'm they might have been connected) I didn't call it a World of light. I was taking the part of the story when grandma referred to a great light. I thinking that might have been the people before the war called kh.

And about the battlefeild, I'm thinking it was the last spot where those who fell to spreading darkness and those still of the light fought.

About the master to test them I didn't think of it I like the idea though.
And as for your question about who else would want kh, well it seems anybody with thirst for power or knowledge go after it allowing the dark to take them.

@Org. 42@

I think the dark realm was made when they sealed the heart cause of the name of the door to the original kh "The Door To Darkness". As proven in kh1 when it's opened darkness floods out (and now heartless thanks to xehanort) I think it's called that and that it made the dark realm cause they sealed the majority of the dark that grew out of control behind that door.

I pretty sure nearly everybody whos noticed at the end of kh1 the giant shaped heart covered in darkness.

Oh and I thought of this today, the door to the original kh and to the dark realm is called "The door to darkness" and it leads to the darkness of kh. Well maybe the door sora is supposed to open is the "The Door To Light".

Maybe the door of light leads to kh's light. The light that was originally fought over out of greed.
When he opens it and frees the light of the eclisping dark it'll restore the connection to all worlds again.

It might even restore the dark realm.

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by incognito

@gungonx@

When I said all worlds were one or connected (I'm they might have been connected) I didn't call it a World of light. I was taking the part of the story when grandma referred to a great light. I thinking that might have been the people before the war called kh.

Or the 'light' they are referring to could be the Kingdom Hearts itself?

Originally Posted by incognito

And about the battlefeild, I'm thinking it was the last spot where those who fell to spreading darkness and those still of the light fought.

But if the last of the darkness was to be in a location, wouldn't it be at the primary target, in this case the interconnected realm of all worlds?

Originally Posted by incognito

About the master to test them I didn't think of it I like the idea though.
And as for your question about who else would want kh, well it seems anybody with thirst for power or knowledge go after it allowing the dark to take them.

But in any given case it's always been the power of light succeeding over darkness?