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[Black Rose]

it wouldnt make sense, though, if the XIVth member was anything but a Nobody. the Organization is made up of Nobodies, so why would a heartless become a member?

if the XIV member is Aqua, and it is a human, maybe she's in disguise as a Nobody? although i should think that the Organization would notice the difference between a human and a Nobody...

[DarkCreature2]

Apparently so far the Organization isn't finished yet because we have two survivors that we're gonna have to deal with now.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by DarkCreature2

You now what this thread is bogus. I'm mot even gonna bother coming back here. DarkCreature 2 signing off.

yet you have the reply before mine above.

Apparently so far the Organization isn't finished yet because we have two survivors that we're gonna have to deal with now

Well if we're going to get technical, there are three survivors, but we'll have to handle two.

I don't know if one would be considered a survivor, but the other two are confirmed.

[~azure.requiem]

~ *looks at current replys*
~ *sighs* i'm leavin.

[UrbanQuattrus]

Originally Posted by gungonX

Assuming the abilities of Xemnas, like being able to control powerful Sorcerer Nobodies, and his overall superiority, one would think he could pick up on the abilities of a mere human?

I'm not saying he does or does not have such abilities, but it could be that Xemnas wants her in regardless of her nature for his own purposes.

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

NO. She's not. One of the requirements for being in the Organization is being a nobody.

Ideally, yes. We haven't seen evidence that the Organization is bound by a magic spell that absolutely requires only nobodies for membership, though - maybe she fooled them into thinking she was a nobody, or maybe Xemnas knows but allows it because it serves his ends; maybe she has some special power or ability that outweighs her non-nobody status. We at least have proof that people (Mickey and Riku) can throw on the coats and at least pretend.

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

Yes there is. Roxas. Had VIX been inducted first, she would have been XIII instead of XIV...Did you even realize what you said?

No, you misunderstand me, I was arguing against the idea that 14 was inducted prior to Roxas.

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

Besides the fact that she's be attacked by heartless relentlessly, the nobodies would be all over her as well.

I agree that preventing heartless from assaulting her would be a problem - although people with strong enough hearts like Maleficent are obviously capable of keeping them from attacking - but nobodies, by definition, have the ability to think and reason. If Xemnas was in on it, they could have been ordered not to attack her. That is, if they can even sense the difference between a person with a heart and one of their own - because the suggestion that she is a human hinges on the notion that nobodies can't sense that intrinsically.

[Gav]

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

I'm not saying he does or does not have such abilities, but it could be that Xemnas wants her in regardless of her nature for his own purposes.

But that would defy the purpose of the Organization XIII, would it not?

[Xziled]

actually urban, riku and mickey threw the trench coats on so that they would not be affected by darkness and to remain under the org. radar

[Kairy]

i am a firm believer that 14 is not a nobody-and she was born from the room of awakening

[UrbanQuattrus]

Originally Posted by gungonX

But that would defy the purpose of the Organization XIII, would it not?

Well, the Organization wanted to regain their hearts... so maybe having someone with 14's abilities (whatever they may be, hypothetically) was of assistance to that.

Originally Posted by Xziled

actually urban, riku and mickey threw the trench coats on so that they would not be affected by darkness and to remain under the org. radar

Exactly my point, although I know you meant it a bit differently.

[Kairy]

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

Well, the Organization wanted to regain their hearts... so maybe having someone with 14's abilities (whatever they may be, hypothetically) was of assistance to that..

good thinking--now next thing- what the hell is she -- shes not a nobody- not a heartless--(im just saying from what believe)-what would she be- a hot mess? lol

[Gav]

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

Well, the Organization wanted to regain their hearts... so maybe having someone with 14's abilities (whatever they may be, hypothetically) was of assistance to that.

Which is highly doubtful because, the Organization XIII would be too arrogant of their abilities to compare to a human, and if she had abilities, would that make her anymore likely to be a Nobody? The alleged 14th member couldn't be a heartless because; she'd be susceptible to the defeat of the darkness within Kingdom Hearts?

[HeartlesGuardian]

Through my opinion, if you say that the 14th member isn't a nobody, you have to assume that Xemnas knew. My reason for that is because as soon as Roxas was born in TwTn, Xemnas was there in SECONDS. (Source = KH-Vids.Net Video Player )
What I get from this, is that Xemnas can sense when someone becomes a nobody (or maybe a strong nobody?) and he teleports to them, and recruits them.

Now, if you think that 14th is a human, and even thinking that the nobody has to be really strong in order to sense them, then Xemnas would of had to know. Wouldn't he wonder "Hey, why didn't I sense this person being born? Nah, its probably nothing." Yeah right. And if your going to say "Maybe she wasn't that strong" Look at Demyx. It doesn't take much to make it into Org.13.

Now, assuming that your still convinced the person isn't a nobody, then you have to wonder why Xemnas would want her in. Maybe its Aqua and she has a keyblade, maybe its someone who can manipulate space, or illusion, she has to bring SOMETHING to the table no one else can. Throughout ALL of KH2 we saw Xemnas manipulate and deceive his fellow Org13 members, so he most likely did it to the 14th as well.

[UrbanQuattrus]

Originally Posted by gungonX

Which is highly doubtful because, the Organization XIII would be too arrogant of their abilities to compare to a human

They have respect enough for Sora's and Riku's abilities, despite their not being nobodies. I don't understand why people think they automatically discount anyone for not being nobodies.

Originally Posted by HeartlesGuardian

Through my opinion, if you say that the 14th member isn't a nobody, you have to assume that Xemnas knew. My reason for that is because as soon as Roxas was born in TwTn, Xemnas was there in SECONDS. (Source = KH-Vids.Net Video Player )
What I get from this, is that Xemnas can sense when someone becomes a nobody (or maybe a strong nobody?) and he teleports to them, and recruits them.

Now, if you think that 14th is a human, and even thinking that the nobody has to be really strong in order to sense them, then Xemnas would of had to know. Wouldn't he wonder "Hey, why didn't I sense this person being born? Nah, its probably nothing." Yeah right. And if your going to say "Maybe she wasn't that strong" Look at Demyx. It doesn't take much to make it into Org.13.

Maybe Xemnas can sense the birth of a strong nobody, but I doubt he can sense the births of all nobodies... why else would he need to send Xigbar and the others on recruitment missions? Xemnas isn't omniscient. I think it's fully possible for someone to pull the wool over his eyes if they're careful.

Originally Posted by HeartlesGuardian

Now, assuming that your still convinced the person isn't a nobody

I'm by no means convinced, I'm just fielding an idea.

Originally Posted by HeartlesGuardian

then you have to wonder why Xemnas would want her in. Maybe its Aqua and she has a keyblade, maybe its someone who can manipulate space, or illusion, she has to bring SOMETHING to the table no one else can.

Yes, as I suggested.

Originally Posted by HeartlesGuardian

Throughout ALL of KH2 we saw Xemnas manipulate and deceive his fellow Org13 members, so he most likely did it to the 14th as well.

Hardly... Xemnas doesn't seem to do much of anything with his fellow Organization members throughout either game. He sends them on risky missions but they have to understand that. When does he ever specifically "deceive" any of the other members?

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

The possible reason Xemnas would know where Roxas was quickly is if he was spying on Sora. Thats the other possibility so it's not necessarily true whether they could, or could not sense another nobody.