Has anyone...

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Haynpr1debo1

Has anyone thought of the XIV member being a heartless or a regular person other than a nobody? I'm just thinking because I don't think I read anything about the XIV member being a heartless. Just a thought:huh:

NO. She's not. One of the requirements for being in the Organization is being a nobody.

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

Yes, it's been brought up plenty of times before. However, regardless of how likely the idea of a human being in the Organization is, the criteria you listed are only true in theory - maybe it's possible for a human to masquerade as a nobody and sneak in.

See above

Originally Posted by bittermeat

^ In other words, she probably isn't a member of the Organization at all? Maybe.

I'm sure she isn't a Heartless in human form, during CoM Axel babbles something about Sora being the second person to retain human form as a Heartless, the first being Ansem. CoM and 358/2 Days timelines cross each other, right? So it wouldn't make sense for him to say something like that since he obviously met 14.

Thread answered.

Originally Posted by UrbanQuattrus

That may be so but it's no evidence that she was inducted prior to Roxas.

Yes there is. Roxas. Had VIX been inducted first, she would have been XIII instead of XIV...Did you even realize what you said?

Originally Posted by Noo Monkey

Well, technically it is since they are all nobodies, and they don't exist. So they are nothing, and the Org. is for Nobodies, so... you get my point, right?

Nothing is a biased term. Nobodies aren't nothing. They just non-exist...

[Leonard]

I don't think that it is absolutely necessary for someone like the XIVth member to be a nobody to be part of the organization.

Judging her appearance and the fact that she hasn't been mentioned at all in the later games kinda hints that she is probably not just one of those "regular" recruited members, as the others in the Organization are.

We don't even know for sure if she is a member, and if yes, how and under which circumstances she joined in.

I really don't think it's too unlikely that she isn't a nobody.

[DarkCreature2]

We really don't know much about her, yet. But as we all know that The Organization is formed of a bunch of strong Nobodies who control and comand the lesser ones. We don't even know her weaponary to fight against us. We don't know her actaul apperance. And we certainly don't know If she is part of the Organization. Remember Sora took almost every member of the Organization out.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Lenny264

I don't think that it is absolutely necessary for someone like the XIVth member to be a nobody to be part of the organization.

Then there wouldn't be a point to making an Organization. It was centrated around people becoming nobodies, if they let a non-nobody join, then it wouldn't be serving its purpose anymore.

Judging her appearance

What appearance? She hasn't been fully seen yet. Only the bottom half of her face.

and the fact that she hasn't been mentioned at all in the later games kinda hints that she is probably not just one of those "regular" recruited members, as the others in the Organization are.

It was her descision to join the Organization. She wasn't forced to join. The others joined because they had no place to go. Neither did she.

We don't even know for sure if she is a member, and if yes, how and under which circumstances she joined in.

Xemnas: We have a new member joining our ranks. She is the VIVth. Scann'd.

I really don't think it's too unlikely that she isn't a nobody.

It's even more unlikely that she isn't a nobody as opposed to being one.

[DarkCreature2]

Hard to argue with this guy. After we start saying something, he pulls out something to counter act it.

[Leonard]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

Then there wouldn't be a point to making an Organization. It was centrated around people becoming nobodies, if they let a non-nobody join, then it wouldn't be serving its purpose anymore.

There could have been other reasons they let her join the organization for, even if she wasn't a nobody. That's what I meant to say.

What appearance? She hasn't been fully seen yet. Only the bottom half of her face.

Sorry, appearance isn't the right word. I was talking about the bunch of information and theories we have gathered about her so far.

It was her descision to join the Organization. She wasn't forced to join. The others joined because they had no place to go. Neither did she.

Did I miss a scan? >_>

Is that confirmed?

Xemnas: We have a new member joining our ranks. She is the VIVth. Scann'd.

Touché.

Seems like I'll have to start looking up those scans again.

Nevertheless, I was just trying to point out a possibility.

Originally Posted by DarkCreature2

Hard to argue with this guy. After we start saying something, he pulls out something to counter act it.

That's what you call a discussion.

[Xziled]

if you're gonna have a discussion with PMF, then you should know what to bring...

[kairi1015]

Ofcourse, u can't easily tell the difference, I mean a Nobody in the Organization looks like a regular human, well soon no 4 sure.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Lenny264

There could have been other reasons they let her join the organization for, even if she wasn't a nobody. That's what I meant to say.

Why would they let a non-nobody join the Organization, when it's specific purpose was intended for nobodies. It'd make the Organization redundant, thus there being no need for them OR her.

Sorry, appearance isn't the right word. I was talking about the bunch of information and theories we have gathered about her so far.

Theories = fan made guesses. Usually based off nothing, but rare to find any that are worth anything.

Did I miss a scan? >_>

Not to my knowledge. So because they become a nobody, they're forced to go with the Organization?

Nevertheless, I was just trying to point out a possibility.

That wasn't one. Otherwise Roxas would still have been the XIVth.

Of course, u can't easily tell the difference, I mean a Nobody in the Organization looks like a regular human, well soon no 4 sure.

A nobody could. A nobody knows what a nobody is. They can easily distinguish the difference between human and nobody.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

Originally Posted by bittermeat

^ In other words, she probably isn't a member of the Organization at all? Maybe.

I'm sure she isn't a Heartless in human form, during CoM Axel babbles something about Sora being the second person to retain human form as a Heartless, the first being Ansem. CoM and 358/2 Days timelines cross each other, right? So it wouldn't make sense for him to say something like that since he obviously met 14.

The only other heartess that retained human form was Xehanort thus throwing the 14th part out.

your slipping PMF

[DarkCreature2]

Hey what was the name of the 14th member or is there no name about her yet.

[Rufus Shinra]

Actually, there sure is something wrong with her. She has not her mark of existence, and while one year latter Marluxia & co still had their mark and their place in the place where nothing gather (the reunion room, I think), there was only 13 and we see no place where she could have been.

But that doesn't mean she is not a nobody. I am more thinking that every hint of her existence has been deleted by someone (Xemnas maybe) because she said or did something that he couldn't bear, he had to forget her.

The Organization has been created by nobody, recruiting nobody, controlling nobody in order to help nobody.
I don't see why an human, or even an heartless, would go there.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

whether or not you believe so Darkness and Light are of course adamant realms in KH while nothingness, is what is claimed to be nonexistant. A heartless wouldn't dare present itself among nobodies, but one with the knowledge of darkness or light can precede that fear. Darkness as far as we know has detained detection of ATW from the organization, and hes managed to barge through Castle Oblivion as is if he was never their. And for another point, the darkness unleashed by Riku confused the members into feeling the power of Xehanort aka what they called the supreme Xemnas. Lotta confusion, she may not be a heartless but darkness regardless of what you say PMF, is a possibility.

its concealed identity before, it can do it again

[Rufus Shinra]

Riku or Ansem never met Xemnas when they were attempting to infiltrate. When they met Xemnas they were not trying to hide their identity. Honestly, they never did this mistake and always saw who was a nobody. Xemnas can know who is a nobody or not I'd say.

I don't see why Xemnas would accept a human or heartless as member. Namine who was a Nobody was not a member, so if there even can be type of nobody they reject, I don't see the point to accept a human. they could co operate, but not making her a member.

[Xziled]

what nomura said about the 14th not having a chair or proof of existence goes along with what you said lezard about her existence being erased