Sora in final fantasy...

[Lezard Valeth]

Originally Posted by Anima Relic

Meh, I understand very well that Xenosaga was a crappy ass game, and Xenogears was waaay superior to Xenosaga in every way. Also, you can't speak for everyone, seeing as you are one person, so how can it be everyone's point of view? Like I said Xenogears pwns Xenosaga, the story was better, the characters, the robots, everything, Xenosaga was just a shame of a game that couldn't hold up to it's predecessor. Lastly, as I've said it's impossible that a reference to KH would be in a Final Fantasy game because there were many opportunites for such a thing to happen, FFXII, FXII Revenant Wings, FFTacticsA2, FFTacticsWar of the Lions, just to name a few. There were NO refernces to KH AT ALL, saying that it's a possibility is not plausible and isn't even worthy thinking about.

It is everyone point of view. Translation : to each their own. I don't speak for everyone, but I know that there is a lot people preferring Saga to Gears. There is also people preferring Gears to Saga. But you, you fail to understand that not everyone has to think like you.
So well, everyone think like they want. And I think Saga pwns Gears.

As for debating with you on reference, I totally abandon the idea because your way to argument is becoming ridiculous, you don't even try to understand others.

[Karate]

Originally Posted by madammina

But would you like it if it was REFERENCED at all? like someone gratified a wall with the nobody or heartless symbol and that would be it.

No. they are two separate worlds that should remain the way they are. It's not Square's game to use their logo at all. Disney would probably fire them. Square is smart enough to not use other peoples' stuff.

Originally Posted by I_LUV_SQUARE

this is getting pretty rediculous you guys, its possible, lets just leave it at that ok?

No it's not. You're losing now, so you decide to end thid off. It doesn't work that way. It's not possible considering KH isn't Square's game.

1. Disney would say no.
2. Even IF Disney said yes, Square would have to pay royalties out the ass.
3. Disney would be far too overprotective of their properties.
4. You believing it's possible because you want to see it isn't reason enough. You have to have good resoning; like with the examples I gave.

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by gungonX

Wow talk about a big change in the discussion, thanks to HadesDragon. Again. <3

I didn't know this? Is it just for the three main protagonists?

Nope, they own everything. Every single character. Only thing they don't own in the games are the FF characters/items/names, and Nomura does get artistic credit for his designs.

And thusly:

Originally Posted by PMF

1. Disney would say no.
2. Even IF Disney said yes, Square would have to pay royalties out the ass.
3. Disney would be far too overprotective of their properties.
4. You believing it's possible because you want to see it isn't reason enough. You have to have good resoning; like with the examples I gave.

[SuperNova]

kh having a reference in final fantasy is possible...

possible.

but kh timeline with ff?

lol...

[Anima Relic]

Originally Posted by Lezard Valeth

It is everyone point of view. Translation : to each their own. I don't speak for everyone, but I know that there is a lot people preferring Saga to Gears. There is also people preferring Gears to Saga. But you, you fail to understand that not everyone has to think like you.
So well, everyone think like they want. And I think Saga pwns Gears.

I never said anyone had to agree with me at all, you, like many others, fail to see that, and choose to assume and jump to conclusions. Just like how I still say Gears pwns Saga, as well as many others, including those that deal with videogames for a living, like the people from Gamespot.com, Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb from Xplay, IGN, Gametrailers.com, etc.

Originally Posted by Lezard Valeth

As for debating with you on reference, I totally abandon the idea because your way to argument is becoming ridiculous, you don't even try to understand others.

Oh really? Trying to understand others meaning trying to get me to agree with your point of view, not going to happen, unless you provide me with something strong enough to convince me otherwise.Your way of argueing is trying to get the other person to agree with you, and then that's it, if that fails, then you give up the whole thing, because things won't go your way.That sounds kind of childish to me, quitting just because things don't go your way

EDIT: One more thing to add, your way of argueing is ignoring fact, which you obviously continue to do, KH in FF as a reference is impossible, period.

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

Nope, they own everything. Every single character. Only thing they don't own in the games are the FF characters/items/names, and Nomura does get artistic credit for his designs.

Fair enough, I guess it's in Disney's court if they wish to have anything remotely similar to this topic at hand. May I ask what percentage Square-Enix own? If you know?

[Chevalier Sombre]

Originally Posted by gungonX

Fair enough, I guess it's in Disney's court if they wish to have anything remotely similar to this topic at hand.

Funnily enough, SE willingly gave Disney the rights.

May I ask what percentage Square-Enix own? If you know?

As far as I know, very little. Disney has almost complete control and ownership of just about everything.

[Lezard Valeth]

Originally Posted by Anima Relic

I never said anyone had to agree with me at all, you, like many others, fail to see that, and choose to assume and jump to conclusions. Just like how I still say Gears pwns Saga, as well as many others, including those that deal with videogames for a living, like the people from Gamespot.com, Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb from Xplay, IGN, Gametrailers.com, etc.

What (un)impressive list! Those people say that Gears is better mainly for the fact it's older and that xeno gameplay is hard, etc. The story of Xeno is more deep, interesting, of course no one of those will have tried to read the whole database in XS3 or the Perfect Guide of Xenosaga. Many wrong doesn't make it right. Even though you are not wrong, you merely have a different opinion, but I know enough people prefering XS to XG for not being impressed by your list. The hard thing with Xenosaga is that people must think while playing it, think a lot, what some people fail to do while playing it.

Oh, and the same people you said the name have for prefered game FFVII and find Sephiroth "rulez!!!" That lowers their point. It is all what I have to say, I won't say more.

Oh really? Trying to understand others meaning trying to get me to agree with your point of view, not going to happen, unless you provide me with something strong enough to convince me otherwise.Your way of argueing is trying to get the other person to agree with you, and then that's it, if that fails, then you give up the whole thing, because things won't go your way.That sounds kind of childish to me, quitting just because things don't go your way

EDIT: One more thing to add, your way of argueing is ignoring fact, which you obviously continue to do, KH in FF as a reference is impossible, period.

I do not ignore fact. But there is sample of reference in many game. A sentence said by someone in the game would be against none copyright and thus can be said.

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

Funnily enough, SE willingly gave Disney the rights.



As far as I know, very little. Disney has almost complete control and ownership of just about everything.

Well then that's all there is to it. It's up to Disney. Thanks for the input HadesDragon.

[Shadowrelm 150]

Originally Posted by HadesDragon

Funnily enough, SE willingly gave Disney the rights.



As far as I know, very little. Disney has almost complete control and ownership of just about everything.

yeah. thats the understament of the month

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Lezard Valeth

Oh, and the same people you said the name have for prefered game FFVII and find Sephiroth "rulez!!!" That lowers their point. It is all what I have to say, I won't say more.

What are you talking about? Adam and Morgan hate the hell out of Final Fantasy in general, save for 12. Seven they hate most of all because of it whoredness. And Adam hates Xenosaga; even going as far as to call it "Eczema-saga"

And besides Metal Gear and God of War pwn both afformentioned series'

I do not ignore fact. But there is sample of reference in many game. A sentence said by someone in the game would be against none copyright and thus can be said.

You kind of are. Everything that didn't appear in a final fantasy game, belongs to Disney. All logos, names, images, all of it. Even so much as a "kh" used in the correct context belongs to Disney. You must have ignored my post:

1. Disney would say no.
2. Even IF Disney said yes, Square would have to pay royalties out the ass.
3. Disney would be far too overprotective of their properties.
4. You believing it's possible because you want to see it isn't reason enough.
5. Square and Disney would have a fallout over that, resulting in the end of Kingdom Hearts. You want that on your conscience?

[Anima Relic]

Originally Posted by PostMentalFerocity

What are you talking about? Adam and Morgan hate the hell out of Final Fantasy in general, save for 12. Seven they hate most of all because of it whoredness. And Adam hates Xenosaga; even going as far as to call it "Eczema-saga"

And besides Metal Gear and God of War pwn both afformentioned series'



You kind of are. Everything that didn't appear in a final fantasy game, belongs to Disney. All logos, names, images, all of it. Even so much as a "kh" used in the correct context belongs to Disney. You must have ignored my post:

1. Disney would say no.
2. Even IF Disney said yes, Square would have to pay royalties out the ass.
3. Disney would be far too overprotective of their properties.
4. You believing it's possible because you want to see it isn't reason enough.
5. Square and Disney would have a fallout over that, resulting in the end of Kingdom Hearts. You want that on your conscience?

I didn't want to use Adam and Morgan in that way since as I've said before it'd be a low blow, furthermore, sure many people may like Xenosaga, but it doesn't change the fact that popular sites like IGN and Gamespot gave Xenogears 9's and aboves while NONE OF THE THREE Xenosaga games even reached a 9 If so many sites along with people agree that Xenosaga sucks compared to Xenogears, why persist in even saying the opposite?

[.:Raz:.]

Originally Posted by KH2SUperfan

I think that Sora, Kairi, and Riku should be in some future Final Fantasy game. I mean wouldn't it be cool to find out what happened BEFORE Sora got the key blade.

Sora lived a peaceful island life. So did Riku.

The only mildly interesting one is Kairi.

[Krateroi]

Originally Posted by .:Raz:.

Sora lived a peaceful island life. So did Riku.

The only mildly interesting one is Kairi.

And she's barely interesting at all.....

[big don mega]

only her origin MIGHT be interesting, that is the only part of her thats not an open book, and that might still be boring