VEN ROXAS THEORY

[V.A.T.13]

I read over all of that, and your theory makes some since to me; But I still kind of don't understand the relation between Namine, and Kairi. Is Namine Kairi's nobody? or is she Sora's?

Kairi's in some magical way.
Has to do with her heart but technically, Namine is nothing.

I'm back and not pleased. -__-;

[GTX]

Deleted the flame comments, responses to the flame comments, and anything not really on topic with the thread.

[Xziled]

there goes my post.... but seriously how did you come up with this theory

[J>J>C]

Originally Posted by Kairy

thank you! ok and to answer your question namine is kairis nobody because she is made from kairis hearts but shes made with soras body and soul which adds to my theory because it proves that roxas is still soras nobody being made from his heart but he can be made from someones else body and soul and too aadd to that since roxas was born when sora stab himself -- sora still had his body and souland wasnt a full heartless....connection??

Allrighty that'll about do it! thanks! If only we knew more about Ven. You're theory is good, it's just we need more information on Ven and his story and his involvment with the keyblade.

[Kairy]

i dont get what you mean xziled just tell me what you dont get?

@JJC- thanks! but your right we just need more info on ven but im just saying if part of ven was connected to sora

[Karate]

Originally Posted by Kairy

we only know roxas was made from soras heart thats why he is his nobody

Then the same would apply to Namine as well.

this again has never been stated

Again, has been stated in game.

ok i never said if vens body is inside of soras body i just said part of him being his heart or sould could have been in there

A heart would create a third nobody, and his soul wouldn't be in Sora.

so basically your saying you dont know anything so therfore you cant really say anything against my theory.. i win!

Wow, um, no. I didn't say that. And you don't win, especially when I already disproved your theory.

yea but you were acting like an a***** thats different

Actually that's just how I am. Ask anyone, don't get so upset.

yeah and i dont give a shit i could always make another account

Yeah, yo u do, then that account AND this account will be banned. You didn't happen to read the rules did you?

Secret Ansem Report 9
That is to say, in the case of the Nobody called Namine, both a Heartless as evidence of a lost heart, and a body to act as the intermediary for the creation of a Nobody are missing. She is an extremely unstable existence, and therefore has no memories of Kairi.

this doesnt prove anything sry

Of course not. It DISproves this theory.

but this does!!!! secret ansem report 10
believer that Namine’ was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously. Namine’ emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

I said that. What are you getting at now? Are you defecting from your theory. They both left his body simultaneously. The body and soul still made Roxas, Kairi's heart just directly interfered with the process creating Namine as well. Also, why are you alluding evidence from that very same report that disproves your theory?

Originally Posted by Secret Ansem Report X

Namine.
As I wrote before, she is an extremely unique existence. Born through the same
process as a Nobody, but missing certain elements that characterise a Nobody. [ie, body and soul]

That she continues to draw pictures is possibly compensating for what she
lacks...from other people's, mainly Sora's, memories.

Again, if it's missing from Namine, where is it?

[Xuan]

She lacks something you say? I think she should have extra something, that's why she could feel...

[Kairy]

Then the same would apply to Namine as well.
NO because this was mentioned
secret ansem report #10
I have arrived at a hypothesis. I believer that Namine’ was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously. Namine’ emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

Again, has been stated in game.
no it hasnt

A heart would create a third nobody, and his soul wouldn't be in Sora.
im not saying it is his heart and how do you know his soul is not in sora


Wow, um, no. I didn't say that. And you don't win, especially when I already disproved your theory.you didnt disprove anything you just keep giving me more info that i all ready know



Actually that's just how I am. Ask anyone, don't get so upset.
im not upset


Yeah, yo u do, then that account AND this account will be banned. You didn't happen to read the rules did you? wow now they know that i have two emails under different names right.........

I said that. What are you getting at now? Are you defecting from your theory. They both left his body simultaneously. The body and soul still made Roxas, Kairi's heart just directly interfered with the process creating Namine as well. Also, why are you alluding evidence from that very same report that disproves your theory? it doesnt because it never actually says roxas was made with soras body and soul

Again, if it's missing from Namine, where is it?

its not missing read the whole thing.... secret ansem report 10
I persuaded Namine’ to move the slumbering Sora to Twilight Town for safekeeping. Namine’. As I have written here before, she is a most unusual being. Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking virtually all of the elements of a Nobody. Perhaps she continues drawing in hopes of capturing that which she lacks: the memories of others, especially Sora.-your part

I have arrived at a hypothesis. I believer that Namine’ was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi’s hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously. Namine’ emerged as Kairi’s Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.-my part

When a person’s heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind gave rise to a Nobody. But what if one willingly releases one’s heart from one’s body? Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.

Then there are Kairi and Namine’. Kairi was exceptional for having no darkness within her heart. Also exceptional was that her heart, once freed, migrated to a new vessel – Sora. The combination of these two theoretically unlikely exceptions may be behind this anomaly.

No, I'll give you that. NO one els thought of it; that's because they have sense. no people have actually thought of this google roxas body and soul and find out.

[Karate]

its not missing read the whole thing.... secret ansem report 10

I'm going to quote the whole thing so I can prove to you that you're wrong.

Originally Posted by SAR X

Sora went to sleep in order to recover the memories he lost in Castle Oblivion. It would take quite some time to bring back all the memories he had created in his lifetime.
But Organization XIII held sway over Castle Oblivion.
Sora would need to be kept someplace more secure.
I persuaded Naminé to move the slumbering Sora to Twilight Town for safekeeping.
Naminé.
As I have written here before, she is a most unusual being.
Born of the same process as a Nobody, but lacking virtually all the elements of a Nobody.

See, lacking. Meaning she doesn't have.

Perhaps she continues drawing in hopes of capturing that which she lacks: the memories of others, especially Sora.
I have arrived at a hypothesis.
I believe that Naminé was born as a special type of Nobody when Sora attacked himself with the Keyblade, causing his and Kairi's hearts to leave their bodies simultaneously.
Naminé emerged as Kairi's Nobody… but the body and soul necessary to exist as a Nobody belonged to Sora.

Nowhere does it say that she was made from it.

When a person's heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind give rise to a Nobody.
But what if one willingly releases one's heart from one's body?
Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.
Then there are Kairi and Naminé.
Kairi was exceptional for having had no darkness within her heart. Also exceptional was that her heart, once freed, migrated to a new vessel—Sora.
The combination of these two theoretically unlikely exceptions may be behind this anomaly.
There are matters I must attend to while Sora is sleeping.
A new ally has appeared on the scene: Riku

Now, 9:

I should have expected nothing less from a Keyblade-wielding hero.
Sora and friends defied the machinations of Organization XIII and rescued Naminé.
Naminé was a witch who controlled the memories of others.
Most likely these powers were achieved through a special process when she was born.
Naminé is a Nobody, created when a young girl's heart left her body.
Yet she has no corresponding Heartless.
This is because the “young girl” in this case was a princess.
Kairi, a resident of Radiant Garden over which I had ruled, was one of the Seven Princesses that uphold the realm of light.
With no darkness in her heart, Kairi produced no Heartless, and instead of vanishing, her body remained in the realm of light.
In other words, both the Nobody called Naminé and the Heartless—proof of a lost heart—are extremely unstable beings who lack the bodies needed to produce a Nobody. Therefore, they also lack Kairi's memories. One reason for this may be that Kairi's heart did not return to the darkness when separated from her body, but rather migrated to another vessel…deep within Sora's heart.
That is, Naminé is an alter ego of the Kairi who has directly interfered with Sora's heart.

Again, doesn't say that she was created from it.

Could this be why Sora and those whose hearts are connected to him were able to have their memories controlled? She is a “non-being” in the truest sense of the word; having not even become a Nobody and with nowhere left to go, she is but the most fleeting of shadows.

Not even truly a nobody. Like I said earlier.

Apart from Naminé, Nobodies retain their memories of their time as humans, but Sora's Nobody, Roxas, has lost Sora's memories.
This is likely because Sora's time as a Heartless was short, having recovered his heart and returned to his human form soon after leaving behind Roxas, his Nobody.
It would seem Roxas is much like Naminé. Naminé is Kairi's Nobody, but came into being via Sora's body and soul.

Like I said.

Likewise, Roxas is Sora's Nobody, but was left behind because Sora's Heartless regained human form using Kairi's heart instead of his own.

You do know what likewise means right? In the same way.

And you're saying Roxas isn't made from Ven's body and soul. If his soul left the body; they'd die.

It may be that Sora's memories are slow to return because the half of him that is Roxas is still lacking.

If SORA'S memories are slow to return, due to Roxas, what does it have to do with Ven?

I must convert Roxas into data and return him to Sora.
As a member of Organization XIII, it was exceedingly difficult to bring Roxas in. Having lost to Roxas once, Riku laid everything on the line and used the power of darkness in their second battle, only just managing to bring Roxas back with him.
But Organization XIII grows ever nearer. Here, Twilight Town , is where Roxas was reborn as a Nobody.
This is where Roxas first encountered Organization XIII and joined its ranks. They are bound to search this place thoroughly.
First I shall convert all of Twilight Town into data and construct a “world duplicate” in Sora's memories. I shall place Roxas within that world to live out his days and regain those memories.
There is little time.
The Organization's schemes must be making steady progress as well.

how do you know his soul is not in sora

Souls, you know, being the source of life, would go to a gathering place where souls do, like in real life. Could the Kingdom Hearts version be the underworld, like it's shown in KH2?

you didnt disprove anything you just keep giving me more info that i all ready know

And I have to keep repeating myself because you haven't accepted your loss.

its not missing read the whole thing.... secret ansem report 10

What I quoted WAS from SAR X.

no people have actually thought of this google roxas body and soul and find out.

Google isn't really a trustworthy site, like wikipedia.

[Kairy]

See, lacking. Meaning she doesn't have. that was written before the info that im going off was given. plus namine is different because shes a nobody of a P.o.h which means off course shes going to be lackiing most qualities of a nobody but she still is kairis nobody- she still had to bind with kairi remember

Nowhere does it say that she was made from it.
what? she was made from kairis heart and soras body and soul... you just highlighted this information


Again, doesn't say that she was created from it.
ok are you saying she was made from soras heart? because i told you allready she was made from kairis and thats number 9 which is before number 10- which means ansem doesnt even know wtf hes talkin about until that point


Not even truly a nobody. Like I said earlier. yes again i know this but she still kind of is because she had to come together with kairi at the end



Like I said.
It would seem Roxas is much like Naminé. Naminé is Kairi's Nobody, but came into being via Sora's body and soul. "it would seem" meaning that you would think roxas is much like namine but hes not.


You do know what likewise means right? In the same way.
yes atw means like namine is kairis nobody roxas is soras nobody- which of course i knew

And you're saying Roxas isn't made from Ven's body and soul. If his soul left the body; they'd die. i definately didnt say that



If SORA'S memories are slow to return, due to Roxas, what does it have to do with Ven? sora was incomplete this has nothing to do with ven at the moment... i was explaining that roxas needed to bind with sora so he can be complete..





Souls, you know, being the source of life, would go to a gathering place where souls do, like in real life. Could the Kingdom Hearts version be the underworld, like it's shown in KH2? Kingdom hearts is like real life when did that happen? and if you are thinking of this in real life prospective sometimes souls dont escape do you believe in ghosts...



And I have to keep repeating myself because you haven't accepted your loss. i didnt lose



Google isn't really a trustworthy site, like wikipedia.google is a search engine wikipedia is like an f**** up encyclopedia.... and if you see other forums this is truly a theory that people thought of