Dimensional Theories

[Riku-chan]

Originally Posted by Xuan

So? Do you need it? (Check my post up there)

Yes, PM me the link.

But is that keyblade of Ven´s made by a fan? It doesnt look like the one in BBS

[BetwiXt&Betw33nX]

Ok here i go....

1.MX's Keychain...thats a nice idea....but its too early to tell

2.I think the reason both KH's look the same (craters) is because there was NO need to make a new one, and they probably didnt think anyone would take the time to notice

3.the DS theory is nice...but i dont get what youre trying to say with the difference in the eyes...
since DS has the more human like....wouldnt that mean hes going to twilight..instead of Dawn

4.I think the difference in color of Vens Keylade is simple....
I. in the video they were in sunset horizons(?) and everything there seemed to be lighter because of the sun...look at terras keyblade...the turquoise(ish) handle on his was about the same color as the blade
(mainly because of the lighting)
II. So i think the TRUE color of vens keyblade is the picture that Adamus so kindly posted

5.I like your idea for Aquas keyblade...i just hate the idea of her being Kairis mother.....putting family relations into KH seems weird

6.I think Vens name SHOULD be Ventus...but in just about every interview and Magazine article...they say "Ven whos real name happens to be MUCH LONGER"..so idk what to think at this point

7.We have seen Kid(4 yr. old?) Sora a few times...when he ws younger though his hair wasnt as Spikey...idk why..but i dont think it has anything to do with Vens Heart "going into" Sora
becasue i dont think the heart changes a person appearance (IDK)

8.Ven may have lived in the Twilight mansion...and that may be the reason Roxas was "BORN(?)" there..

9.I think the Cloaked Figure we see in the "station of Serenity" was just Roxas Himself...because
I. When the same thing happened to Sora....his shadow created the Darkside heartless
II.i think the "dark" side of Roxas (hes kinda torn between the two..because he doeas HAVE a heart)..made the Twilight Thorn Appear
III. We see Roxas's Dark side in "The World that Never Was" right?..When Sora Fights him....because didnt Roxas reunite with Sora after Sora woke up(?) idk if i remeber correctly
IV. The "darside" of Roxas wore a cloak

10. The "Voice" speaking to Roxas was his heart (possibly)

So thats all i got.......

[Riku-chan]

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

1.MX's Keychain...thats a nice idea....but its too early to tell

Thanks. Yeah, the black thing is just way too blurry. It could be even unsolid.

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

2.I think the reason both KH's look the same (craters) is because there was NO need to make a new one, and they probably didnt think anyone would take the time to notice

Yeah, maybe they were lazy.

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

3.the DS theory is nice...but i dont get what youre trying to say with the difference in the eyes...
since DS has the more human like....wouldnt that mean hes going to twilight..instead of Dawn

You see:
1. Riku is a human, but his keyblade has a "demon"´s eye.
2. DS is a demon, but his keyblade has a human´s eye.

Got it?

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

4.I think the difference in color of Vens Keylade is simple....
I. in the video they were in sunset horizons(?) and everything there seemed to be lighter because of the sun...look at terras keyblade...the turquoise(ish) handle on his was about the same color as the blade
(mainly because of the lighting)
II. So i think the TRUE color of vens keyblade is the picture that Adamus so kindly posted

The colors seem like Kingdom Key´s. Also it is different from Ven´s keyblade, it isnt so accurate.

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

5.I like your idea for Aquas keyblade...i just hate the idea of her being Kairis mother.....putting family relations into KH seems weird

Yeah. But there was this really odd scene, where she is on camera for a long time. I can almost here Nomura yelling: "Look, she´s like Kairi!"

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

6.I think Vens name SHOULD be Ventus...but in just about every interview and Magazine article...they say "Ven whos real name happens to be MUCH LONGER"..so idk what to think at this point

Yeah, that is weird. I hope, it´s just an error from translation.

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

7.We have seen Kid(4 yr. old?) Sora a few times...when he ws younger though his hair wasnt as Spikey...idk why..but i dont think it has anything to do with Vens Heart "going into" Sora
becasue i dont think the heart changes a person appearance (IDK)

Yes it does. Heart changes your appearance, this is why nobodies look a bit different from their other.

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

8.Ven may have lived in the Twilight mansion...and that may be the reason Roxas was "BORN(?)" there..

That´s what I think too.

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

9.I think the Cloaked Figure we see in the "station of Serenity" was just Roxas Himself...because
I. When the same thing happened to Sora....his shadow created the Darkside heartless
II.i think the "dark" side of Roxas (hes kinda torn between the two..because he doeas HAVE a heart)..made the Twilight Thorn Appear
III. We see Roxas's Dark side in "The World that Never Was" right?..When Sora Fights him....because didnt Roxas reunite with Sora after Sora woke up(?) idk if i remeber correctly
IV. The "darside" of Roxas wore a cloak

Hmm.. So how you explain it being Roxas himself? I thought that Twilight Thorn became from Ven..

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

10. The "Voice" speaking to Roxas was his heart (possibly)

I agree. But you dont seem to agree, that Roxas´s heart is Ven´s.

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

Originally Posted by Adamus

yup and here's Vens

no its definitely fan made. Just a close depiction of the Keyblade in this pic

[blader94]

thats a good thoerie but if you want to get a good look at ven's keyblade try looking at some real gameplay pics they should have one around hear

[BetwiXt&Betw33nX]

Thanks. Yeah, the black thing is just way too blurry. It could be even unsolid.

...........yeah, but still too early to tell...you may be right

Yeah, maybe they were lazy.

LOL...probably....
You see:

1. Riku is a human, but his keyblade has a "demon"´s eye.
2. DS is a demon, but his keyblade has a human´s eye.

Got it?

yeah...now i do....

The colors seem like Kingdom Key´s. Also it is different from Ven´s keyblade, it isnt so accurate.

maybe its a different keyblade(LOL random thought) maybe in BBS you can get different keyblades, and MAYBE the keyblade can change its appearnce without a chain (LOL dont mind this idea)
But really.......i think it just has to do with the Lighting and the area that Ven is in

Yeah. But there was this really odd scene, where she is on camera for a long time. I can almost here Nomura yelling: "Look, she´s like Kairi!"

........LOL maybe....but if Family becomes a role in KH.....i think that would ruin the Story

Yeah, that is weird. I hope, it´s just an error from translation.

Yeah..i hope so

Yes it does. Heart changes your appearance, this is why nobodies look a bit different from their other.

I know this happens for Nobodies...but im talking about a WHOLE person...What i was sayin is...
I dont think if a whole person (by whatever Satanic magic LOL) had TWO hearts in them..that the second heart would change their appearnce, all it would change is memories and emotions(?)

That´s what I think too.

AGREED

Hmm.. So how you explain it being Roxas himself? I thought that Twilight Thorn became from Ven..

Well the stations i beleive are just a subconcious place of being (like Nirvana) so this is all happening inside of roxas, and the Hooded Roxas represent thre Darkness in oxas (just as Soras Shadow did in Kh1)..and Roxas being a Nobody has a connection to noboies....
I dont think the hooded Roxas transformed into the Twilight Thorn...i think He summoned him

I agree. But you dont seem to agree, that Roxas´s heart is Ven´s.

I cant decide what to think yet......LOL

[LoftyMountain]

I liked your theory, but i noticed that none of V.A.T.'s keyblades seem to have keychains. Wonder what that's about?

[BetwiXt&Betw33nX]

^We dont Know yet....I WISH WE DID....

[Golden Knight]

I like all the pics.LOL..

They're awsome..I'll read it later.

[trini202]

Originally Posted by LoftyMountain

I liked your theory, but i noticed that none of V.A.T.'s keyblades seem to have keychains. Wonder what that's about?

I think that is due to them not actually being "true" keyblades, just artificial ones. I think that is why Terra can do some of the crazy ish with his keyblade that nobody else can do.

[BetwiXt&Betw33nX]

^we have no way of knowing what the difference is between real keyblades..and "artifical" ones.....
Or if Artifical ones even exist........

(P.S) theres a memeber of this site named Anima Relic.......he believes int he whole "artifical" Keyblade MumboJumbo also.......be smart and dont believe in that idea



JK JK!.....not tryin to make anyone look bad...........you can beleive what you want........free will

[trini202]

^if they do exist its the fact that the real ones have chains while the fake ones don't

[marvx12]

This theory is pretty good overall, but I have some things to add.:D

Oblivion comes from Ven´s heart inside Roxas.

Oath Keeper comes from Kairi´s part in process of making Roxas.
OR
Oath Keeper comes from Sora´s heart, which belongs to Roxas.

Oathkeeper was actually formed from Sora's memories of Kairi, and Oblivion was formed from Sora's memories of Riku. So it has nothing to do with Ven. It's in Another Report or Nomura said it. I can't remember which one.:/

The pipes mentioned, it reminds of Hollow Bastion/ Radiant Garden. When I look that world, I see A LOT of pipes. Aqua´s keyblade is like made from pipes and those make a crown. Was Aqua a princess/queen in Radiant Garden? This is what came to my mind.

I agree about seeing a lot of pipes in Radiant Garden, but I don't see any pipes in Aqua's keyblade. Her keyblade doesn't remind me of pipes at all. But I do think that she possibly could have been the princess of Radiant Garden for some reason. Not queen though, because that would mean aqua+ansem the wise. Which is just plain creepy.D:

I believe these are drawn by Sora, but how could he know about Disney Castle, Donald, etc? I explain it now.. When Kairi´s heart was in Sora, Sora could remember some of Kairi´s memories as "his own". Now if we assume, that Ven´s heart got into Sora when he was still kid, wouldnt he remember Ven´s memories as "his own"? Im sure he would, when we see Kairi´s case.

I like this point, because I saw those drawings too, and I was like "Wha...?" So I definetly think that Ven being connected to Sora has something to do with those drawings. Or maybe Sora didn't actually draw them....idk.
Okay, that's all I have to say. Again nice theory!!:)

[Anima Relic]

Originally Posted by BetwiXt&Betw33nX

^we have no way of knowing what the difference is between real keyblades..and "artifical" ones.....
Or if Artifical ones even exist........

(P.S) theres a memeber of this site named Anima Relic.......he believes int he whole "artifical" Keyblade MumboJumbo also.......be smart and dont believe in that idea



JK JK!.....not tryin to make anyone look bad...........you can beleive what you want........free will

Time to get on B&B's case for mentioning my name lol .....jk or am I?

1. Artificial Keyblades do exist, this evidenced by the so called "Heart Unlocker" Keyblade, which was artificial.

2. Here is a paragraph from Another Report pages 28 & 29

Nomura:The Keyblade constructed from the Seven Princesses’ hearts that Riku obtained in the previous game allowed for the Keyhole in Hollow Bastion to appear. For the plan to cause Darkness to overflow from hearts, the special hearts held by the Princesses were used to artificially make this Keyblade, so it is different from a proper Keyblade. There are further suggestions that this Keyblade is artficial as well.

So, what is one of the suggestions that the keyblade was artificial, hmm let's take a look at it shall we?



Mmmkay, what's missing from this keyblade? A KEYCHAIN. That's just a suggestion, but of course there are further suggestions, but Nomura didn't state them.

3. Sora's KK has been called "it's true form" in the game. If we look at Ven's keyblade, the half of its handle looks like half of KK's handle. Ven's keyblade does not have a keychain, if Ven

4.When you add keychains to Sora's KK it "changes form" and has the abilities of a different keyblade. Now one member believes the keychain is used for modification, but just modification a single keyblade. But how can this be, when KK becomes a completely different keyblade when the keychains are switched?

5.Also, artificial, doesn't only mean fake, it has other definitions as well, for example, in the case of KH, artificial could mean "MAN MADE" and "SUBSTITUTE FOR THE REAL THING" Let's see, the keyblade created from the POH's hearts were MAN MADE, or in this case WOMAN MADE since it came from the hearts of HUMANS. Also, VAT are apprentices, if they were able to create their keyblades, it'd make sense if they had artificial keyblades or SUBSTITUTES FOR THE REAL THING, because they have not finished their apprenticeship yet.

This makes waaay more sense than Keychains being used for "modification"

[trini202]

^yea wat he said