A thought I can not stop thinking

Mythological One · February 29th, 2008, 10:42 PM

I'm gonna get strait to it.

Have any of you ever thought that the heartless might not have always been looked upon in the way they are now? What if, at one point, they were pitied?

I think the heartless became monsterized at someoint in their existence.

I had more to this idea... but It has slipedd my mind. maybe it was something about how Terras belt has a symbol on it similar to that of the heartless. Old news, I know... but there was more to the idea that I can't remember right now. oh well. the idea is out there- that's all that matters.

haX · February 29th, 2008, 10:49 PM

It makes a bit of sense... I can see how people would have pity of the creatures of Darkness, at first, anyway. Once they started devouring people's hearts, I think I'd start fearing/hating them, too.

Zero Sora · February 29th, 2008, 10:52 PM

So... you're saying the Heartless were... good? And that something or someone made them bad?

Because I'm pretty sure that they are born from the darkness in peoples hearts. And last time I checked, things born from darkness aren't generally good. Plus I remember reading in one of the Ansem reports that the Heartless act on instinct. And if they're instinct is to "kill" people, then I don't think that's a good thing either.

Essence of Elegy · February 29th, 2008, 10:52 PM

Heartless were pitied by Saix. I know that for sure.

"Pitiful Heartless. Mindlessly collecting hearts..."

--Saix.

Mythological One · February 29th, 2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Sora

So... you're saying the Heartless were... good? And that something or someone made them bad?

Because I'm pretty sure that they are born from the darkness in peoples hearts. And last time I checked, things born from darkness aren't generally good. Plus I remember reading in one of the Ansem reports that the Heartless act on instinct. And if they're instinct is to "kill" people, then I don't think that's a good thing either.

Exellent point, I must admit. Still, something tells me that they don't mean to hurt people, but rather, they are looking for their own hearts, perhaps. In looking for there own hearts, perhap they take those of others- or at least, at the beginning. remember, heartless can be controlled- and realistically, Sora is NOT going to vanquish every heartless. There is a source- a living source that sora must stop.

Was darkness in every heart BEFORE people developed a greed for light? Why would people have greed for light? Was it waning off? Were people trying to get what was left of it, only to find that the darkness they were trying to escaape existed in there own hearts?

I don't think the heartless were GOOD perse, but not evil either. Nobodies are no different.

Gildragon · February 29th, 2008, 11:15 PM

Oh my gosh. no, Heartless are born from darkenss in peoples hearts. they don't go looking for their own. nobodies do that. heartless capture hearts. Besides think about it. Every single player of the game would be kinda mad if they made the main enemies of the series all fo a sudden good creatures. NO

Mythological One · February 29th, 2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gildragon

Oh my gosh. no, Heartless are born from darkenss in peoples hearts. they don't go looking for their own. nobodies do that. heartless capture hearts. Besides think about it. Every single player of the game would be kinda mad if they made the main enemies of the series all fo a sudden good creatures. NO

I get what your saying- I really do. I DONT think heartless are good. I just think there is more to what they are then what we know, that's all.

~~Anima Relic~~ · February 29th, 2008, 11:24 PM

Actually Heartless have hearts, even though they aren't their own. Terra's belt symbol looks nothing like the heartless symbol other than the fact of the shape. If you look closely you'd see some diamond shapes (like the diamonds on playing cards) on the heart.

Gildragon · February 29th, 2008, 11:27 PM

well sure but they were not monsterized. thats what they started out as

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Originally Posted by Ansem Report 2

The experiments caused the test subjects hearts to collapse, including those of the most stalwart. How fragile our hearts are!

My treatments proved no signs of recovery.

I confined those who had completely lost their hearts beneath the castle. Sometime later, I went below and was greeted by the most strangest sight.

Creatures that seemed born of Darkness.

What are they? Are they truly sentient beings? Could they be the shadows of those who lost their hearts to my experiments?

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Originally Posted by Ansem Report 3

The shadows that crawl beneath the castle...

Are they people who lost their hearts, or incarnations of Darkness?

Or something entirely beyond imagination?

All my knowledge has provided no answer.

One thing that I am sure of is that they are entirely devoid of emotion. Perhaps further study will unlock the mysteries of the heart.

Fortunately, there is no shortage of test samples. They are multiplying underground even as I write this report. They still need a name.

Those who lack hearts..
I will call them the Heartless.

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Originally Posted by Ansem Report 4

The Heartless appear in groups, and are multiplying rapidly. I've provided them both living and nonliving samples. They've responded only to the living. They seem to multiply after absorbing something from the living creatures. Their prey vanishes without a trace.

I believe the Heartless are taking hearts. They are born from those who've lost their hearts, and thrive on hearts seized from others. The hearts taken by the heartless become Heartless themselves.

Though I lack proof, I am confident in this hypothesis. I must also study their behavioral principles.

Though they lack emotions, they do seem to have some intelligence. How to communicate with them?

It's just occurred to me: Could they be the darkness in people's hearts?

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Originally Posted by Ansem Report 5

To study the Heartless behavior, I picked one out for observation. It wiggled its antennae and, as if sensing a target, headed deep into the castle.

In the deepest part of the castle, its antennae began vibrating, as if searching for something.

Suddenly, a strange door appeared. I'd never known of its existence.

I had a large keyhole, but didn't seem to be locked. So, I opened the door.

What I saw on the other side mystified me.

What was that powerful mass of energy?

That night I observed a great meteor shower in the sky.

Could it be related to the door that I have opened?

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Originally Posted by Ansem Report 6

A massive core of energy lay beyond the door sought by the Heartless. It may be the ultimate goal of the Heartless. But what is that energy? I have devised a hypothesis, based upon my observations of the Heartless.

The Heartless feed on other's hearts, and they yearn for that energy core. That thing beyond the door must be a heart, too--the heart of this world. There is no proof, but, having felt that immense energy, I am certain. That was the heart of the world.

The Heartless are trying to take hearts not only from all living creatures, but from the planet itself. But what do they mean to do with the heart of the world?

Dantés de Divinity · March 1st, 2008, 01:48 AM

Well if you’re asking if we think they once looked more human and not like possessed dwarfs then no. The game sorta states that when you lose your heart or if something is born in darkness then it has no humanity to it and does not show any intelligent thought just instincts. In this case those instincts are mindlessly collecting hearts. Think of them like zombies. Zombies don't think they just walk around looking for brains to munch on. Heartless just walk around looking for hearts to steal.

afrobutt · March 1st, 2008, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dantez of Divinity

Well if you’re asking if we think they once looked more human and not like possessed dwarfs then no. The game sorta states that when you lose your heart or if something is born in darkness then it has no humanity to it and does not show any intelligent thought just instincts. In this case those instincts are mindlessly collecting hearts. Think of them like zombies. Zombies don't think they just walk around looking for brains to munch on. Heartless just walk around looking for hearts to steal.

But who's to say those Zombies can't chase a different path, say danceing?

>.> <.<

Anyway, intresting thought. But the thought of Heartless being nice just sounds off...

Riku- Um... Sora?

Sora- *sigh* No, I will not make out with you Riku...

Riku- **** you. Anyway, that Heartless has been following you for like an hour now.

*A Heartless is standing with a cupcake in it's claws with the words "I'm Sorry" on it.*

Sora- Awwww.... how nice *takes cupcake and stabs Heartless*

KingdomQueenHeart · March 1st, 2008, 02:43 AM

I pity the heartless.... they have tacky costumes. HAHA XD Ok that was sad on my part

sephiroth3008 · March 1st, 2008, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by haX

It makes a bit of sense... I can see how people would have pity of the creatures of Darkness, at first, anyway. Once they started devouring people's hearts, I think I'd start fearing/hating them, too.

ya but the heartless act purelly on instinct so maybe from the beginging of their exestance they already became feared through out the worlds.