Extensions on a DS Theory

[Grace Assassin]

I apologize about making a theory thread among the countless others, I'd just like to hear some feedback. And this is going to be looong.

This is, basically, an elaboration on a theory that I've had for quite some time, which will include how the DS looks.

To save the suspense, I'll just say what it is and then explain. I believe DS is the true Xehanort as an entity with no heart and that he looks like a younger version of Xehanort's Heartless. You're probably confused at this point and can spot a few problems. Bear with me.

Xehanort, as we know, can be an anagram for "No Heart". Taken literally, we can guess that someone with such a name has no heart. And by no heart, I am not referring to a Nobody, but rather a being who has never had a heart in the first place, especially since BbS is before Nobodies. I had originally thought this was the case with Master Xehanort (and I believed in the Master Xehanort-Terra possession theory), but there were a few things that felt wrong and that lead me to believe it is the DS instead. First, the quote:

The scene soon switches to Terra holding an unconscious Ven, with Master Xehanort looking desperate and apologetic.

Xehanort: "The one who has immersed himself in the darkness cannot wield the Keyblade. He is a demon who has been taken by the darkness. Please correct my mistake..."

This happens after Ven and DS fight-meaning it is most probably referring to DS. In addition to that, there's the fact that DS comes from Master Xehanort in the secret ending, showing that he has some kind of ability to dwell within another. So basically I applied the MX-Terra possession theory to DS instead, who would possess Terra and form the Xehanort we know. Now that would mean that he's possessing Master Xehanort before that, which is what could be the case. The quote provided could be in a similar case to how Riku struggled to regain consciousness and warn Kairi of the heartless in Hollow Bastion (instead, it would be MX struggling against the DS). DS possessing MX and Terra (turning into the Xehanort we know) would account for both of them having dark skin (in other words, MX truly has lighter skin) and changes in eye/hair color.

So DS possesses others, as I stated, because he has no heart, and, for obvious power hungry reasons, he wants one. How can he wield a keyblade then? I believe he's connected to Ven, and, while I'm still a bit hazy on this, that DS's keyblade is the product of a part of Ven's memories. 1. So how can a keyblade manifest from memories? 2. Why do I think it's Vens memories?

1.

The keyblade that Roxas used and the thing that Sora once lost in Castle Oblivion are the same thing. Furthermore, these two both used the keyblade at the same time. This can be explained by the relationship between Roxas and Sora. Thus, that both can wield two keyblades in fact has an important meaning. This is also related to Xehanort's memories, but this point can't be touched on just yet.

2.

Ven: "Who...? I've met you before..."
Ven is surprised.
Xehanort: It seems you have lost something. However, unless what you have lost is put back into your hands, it will be gone forever. Once you obtain it, hold on to it and understand the truth!

So Ven has a part of his memory gone, memories can manifest as a keyblade, and the DS needs a way other than a heart to wield a keyblade (according to the theory). It adds up, and sheds new light on the potential connection between Xehanort's memories with the dual wielding ability as Nomura brought up. That also means, though, that DS is connected to Ven in some powerful way. I first noticed the potential connection with the fact that the numerous trailer summaries talk of Ven and DS fighting- and Ven charges right toward him in the Secret Ending. It reminded me of the bitter relationship between Riku and Sora when Riku was possessed. And that's around when I discovered this:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j8...ghtcompare.jpg

DS is short enough to be a kid (please don't argue against this, I've proved it in another thread). Could they have been friends? Maybe. This is purely unfounded speculation that, at this time, is not part of the theory I am telling you, but I'd like to introduce it nonetheless. I believe DS was created as a result of Birth by Sleep through Ven. That is not to say that they are in some way the same person like Sora or Roxas, but it would provide the connection for DS to use Ven's memories as a keyblade. What do I mean by Birth by Sleep? I had talked about it in an earlier theory that you're welcome to read, otherwise you can just skip over it (it's vague anyway):

I also want to share something that I've been thinking about. We can't forget the all too important phrase, "It all began with Birth by Sleep". I've really been trying to take this from a logical point of view. What began with Birth by Sleep? Obviously the events of the Kingdom Hearts series. And so what then, would be the original cause that spurred on these events? Xehanort, clearly (at the moment). It must have been his arrival, or his creation. So, then, Xehanort was born by "Sleep"? Maybe. This quote of Master Xehanort certainly suggests it:

Going along with my DS possession theory, let's say that's DS speaking through him.

So then now we need to ascertain as to what exactly is meant by "Sleep". Since the first time we saw the secret ending, people have suggested that Sleep refers to Sora's year of sleep or Riku's sleep in the prologue of CoM (among other theories). Neither make sense since it all began with Birth by Sleep, meaning that whatever this Sleep was, it was in the past and preceded all other events. However, those two might work in concept. Sleep might refer to literal sleep, as is the case with Sora, or a metaphorical sleep, much like with Riku. While I'm not ruling it out, I'll put aside the literal meaning of Sleep for the moment, mainly because there's a connection for Riku's type of sleep. "The wall of light and darkness". This should sound familiar:

Go here if you haven't realized yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i90a5...eature=related

MX: It seems you have lost something. However unless what you have lost is put back into your hands, it will be an eternal lost. Once you obtain it, grip it and understand the truth.
DiZ: Sleep is eternal. It is a door to the truth. Take it, and your sleep ends. Take it, and take your first step towards the truth.

Just keep in mind that Ven is his alias (not a nickname, as an alias is an assumed name- so it would not be something like Ventus). And the point of the game is to answer, "Ven, who are you?" as stated by Nomura. I have a hunch that his true name relates him to the DS/Xehanort and that there's a lot more to Ven than you think, especially considering that he wants to be "erased" by Terra. So how DS would be the product of this is what I'm working on. Maybe he's a Shadow Ven (like Sora's), only in the form of the new enemy, almost like a rogue guardian (DS being MX's guardian makes no sense since he's probably a kid).

Anyway, sorry for the digression.

Assuming this is all true, I believe that DS looks like a younger version of Xehanort's Heartless. Why? Let's start with the Xehanort we know:

I have transcended to an existence of only the heart. I should have come back as a Heartless, but there is no sign of such a transformation.

My body has surely perished. However, I am different from the other Heartless, keeping the memories of before, and I had not taken on the form of a Heartless. It is clear that there are still many things to be studied.

Both Sora and Xehanort released their hearts willingly- which is why they kept their sense of self. But Xehanort is one step beyond. While Sora still became a heartless, Xehanort retained a form that did not transform him into one. How?

Also, when Xehanort's Heartless uses Riku's body to regain his true form, it is not the Xehanort we know. Why is that so? Nobodies retain their physical form but manifest in a slightly different form than their originals, but it's not as though that can happen with heartless. So how did he attain that form?

Xehanort, according to the theory, is supposed to be DS possessing Terra's heart. So when he sheds off the body and soul (which are essentially Terra's- and they technically form his Nobody-Xemnas, only morphed from the DS's presence), would that not leave DS possessing Terra's heart? So, DS's body would be there in a metaphysical sense- much like how Xehanort's Heartless can be seen at the same time as Riku at times even though there's technically only one body. And when Riku is used as a vessel, this presence becomes a true physical body as the Xehanort's Heartless we know. In other words, that form would have to be what the DS looked like. But BbS was ten years ago- which is why I say that the DS must look like a younger version of Xehanort's heartless. It makes sense too. The DS should probably be around the age of Ven, maybe 16 or 17 I'd imagine. He possesses Terra, who is obviously older, giving the Xehanort we know an older appearance. But by the time AtW finds him, he still is considered young, which makes sense:

The young man has served me ever since I nursed him back from death's door some years ago.Any mental immaturity is surely due to his young age.

One last point I'd like to make on that note. Since Xemnas is essentially Terra's body (deformed by Xehanort) and soul, that would make him not evil. On the other hand, Xehanort's heartless must be because it is essentially DS.

There are various suggestions that Xemnas is not evil- considering Aqua a "friend" and wanting to share Kingdom Hearts's power with ALL Nobodies, for instance. The reason why he is portrayed in an antagonistic light is because he is apathetic as a Nobody, anyone would be (except for Namine and Axel, who are affected by Roxas' 'heart'), meaning that it would not matter to him, for instance, that Axel died. And also, the only thing that he has to go on (besides memories slowly returning to him about his time as Terra due to the Room of Sleep- part of another theory) are his memories as Xehanort- who WAS evil. On the other hand, Xehanort's heartless shows no signs of consideration for anyone else whatsoever except for himself (and if you're wondering why he has Master Xehanort's clothes- I believe that someone will be taking over for their master... considering that they're using him). Again, it adds up.

Well that's about it. If you managed to get this far, feel free to comment, give constructive criticism, ask me to reiterate on a point, whatever.

[Fatal Ascension]

i think this is very well put together and though i dont necessarily agree .. i think you you did a great job - it was well explained and made alot of sense ..

this is one of those threads that would change my opinions about a lot of things, were it not for the fact that i already have my own thoughts which conflict with your own, so i cant say that is the case .. overall though - excellent job .. im impressed

[Anima Relic]

You have waaaaay to much free time to be typing a essay that looks like it'd fill the front and back of one sheet of loose leaf paper. I didn't read all of it, so I'll just say it's a possible theory. Also, I have always thought about why ATW was just a heart, but not a heartless like Xehanort's heartless. The same held true for Sora and Kairi until they remerged back with their nobodies. I was wondering if it was possible for someone to be just a body and soul, but not be a nobody.

[Lezard Valeth]

Nice theory. Very well done. Me too, from my side, I have my own idea on the point, but I think this has potential.

[KingDoom]

i wonder do the people who write these long theorys, do they write like that in school???

[HadesDragon]

Originally Posted by Anima Relic

You have waaaaay to much free time to be typing a essay that looks like it'd fill the front and back of one sheet of loose leaf paper.

Other members have made larger theories than he did. Much larger.

So from what I've been able to grasp, DS is a mysterious entity that parasites other beings because it has no heart and wants one. He's also connected to Ven, which is why he can wield a keyblade.

DS first possesed MX, gaining some of his physical and mental traits in the process, then possesed Terra and passed those traits to him.

Am I mistaken?

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by kingdoom911

i wonder do the people who write these long theorys, do they write like that in school???

This is nothing. >.>

Try out writing pages upon pages in AP English.

So from what I've been able to grasp, DS is a mysterious entity that parasites other beings because it has no heart and wants one. He's also connected to Ven, which is why he can wield a keyblade.

DS first possesed MX, gaining some of his physical and mental traits in the process, then possesed Terra and passed those traits to him.

Am I mistaken?

Pretty much, but you have the trait part backward. I was suggesting that when he possesses someone, their skin turns dark and their hair becomes gray/white through a projection of his own traits.

[slinky]

intereting theroy but im not sure if i can agree either though

[Anima Relic]

Slinky seriously, you need to chill with bringing back so many threads to the front page

[waterking-Demyx]

I see a lot in this theory that I like.

For example, maybe the DS is the actual MX, like I believe the Guardian in KH1 to be the actual Xehanort's Heartless, and Xehanort's heartless is more of the Guardian's core. If so, say that MX found DS like Ansem found Xehanort, minus the memory thing. DS agreed to study under MX, but was really corrupting him the whole time. So MX started out noble, but his apprentice, not VAT or Kingdom Hearts, was his actual undoing. As to wether DS did this on purpose, it's hard to say. I think it's just its nature.

So DS isn't a Heartless, but he is like a sort of precursor to the Heartless. At the end of the battle we saw in the BBS trailer, MX's greed has spun out of the control of the DS. So MX tried to absorb KH, fails, DS possesses Terra, then MX explodes with power, sending Terra/DS to Radiant Garden. Now, the blast knocked Terra out, so DS takes control of Terra, the Birth of the Xehanort we know and love. Now, you could argue that this ties into the title, Birth by Sleep, because Terra is unconscious, i.e. sleeping, but I won't push my luck here.

Now, why did DS choose Xehanort as a name? In my opinion, he thought of MX as a friend, or something close to that. So he honored MX by carrying on his name. So why would Terra/DS be so obsessed with the mysteries of the heart? My opinion is that DS thought the darkness in him was a sort of curse, or a disease, and he was trying to lift it. But he had Terra's heart in him, so that made him a little more comfortable undergoing tests.

Between Terra's skill with the keyblade and DS's somewhat spiritlike properties, the new Xehanort is certainly superhuman. But just moments before he was overcome by the Heartless he had created, the DS reckognized that he would bring only suffering to the universe. So he dropped his old friend's name, not wishing to shame him, and he took Ansem's name.

What do you think?

[Anima Relic]

I believe it was TAV's actual master that became the Xehanort we all know about.

[V.A.T.13]

tl;dr

Though I did read a little bit.
DS being a kid and friends with Ven? Heck yea.

Hell, maybe even the DS is this "friend" they talk about. (though it also could be Aqua)

I'm starting to think that the DS may be the 3rd playable character. (shit. I wanted blue tits)

What if he looks like Riku?
I mean, Ven has got looks like Sora, Kairi with Aqua, yet no one resembles Riku. Sure Terra is connected to him, but they don't look at all alike.

Gah-shit. What if the same thing that happened to Ven, happened to DS?
What if we are wrong? Nomura DID say something about not all the characters being connected to who we think we are ( I thought he meant Aqua), so what if Riku has a direct connection to the DS?

For some reason, combining with the ven's heart in Sora made roxas idea, what part of the DS went into Riku? And like, if Riku became a nobody, who would it be? Would it be DS? WOULD THE DS AND VEN COME BACK FOR AN EPIC BATTLE THROUGH SORA AND RIKU?! MY FANGIRL IS OVERFLOWING.

Excuse me, I'm just typing as I think. Seriously. The words that are suddenly poping in my head at this moment are being typed to HEY THERES MY SEA WORLD SWORD!!