Who do you think is VAT Master?

[Anima Relic]

I highly doubt Mickey is the master of VAT, and not just because I don't like the idea.

1. Ven and Terra both have a symbol on their clothes that resembles the heartless and nobody symbol. It's safe to say that Aqua has the same symbol on her clothes as well. The symbol might represent VAT's allegience or who's side they are on. So let's connect this to Mickey. Mickey does not have this symbol on his clothes at all. IF Mickey was VAT's master, wouldn't you think he'd wear the same symbol as well? So, based off that Mickey is NOT VAT's master :glare:

[Ranma]

You have a point there, and I agree with you. I forgot all about those symbols. But... we haven't seen any scans of Aqua yet... Maybe its Ansem the Wise. But I seriously doubt that. But still... it hasn't been confirmed whether or not that symbol is their master's symbol. It could significate something else

[Anima Relic]

^True, it could signify something else, but still if Mickey was the master he should also have the same symbol on his clothes. Also, I know we haven't seen any scans of Aqua yet, I was just using probablity, since Ven and Terra both have the symbol, that makes it two out of three, which is more than half and it's about 66 or 67%, so it's safe to say that Aqua would have the symbol on her clothes too. I see know such symbol on ATW's clothes. Besides that, I doubt ATW had any importance in BBS.

[Rufus Shinra]

Well, it could still be only to say they are apprentic. Like in Star Wars apprentic have the hair things and when they become knight they cut it... A apprentic has it, but no the master.

That does not mean I blieve Mickey is the master. I don't like that idea.

[Ranma]

I trust that Aqua has the symbol on her somewhere. I'm just saying. Ansem the Wise's clothes might've changed from Birth by Sleep to Kingdom Hearts II. I mean... this would be before the whole DiZ mask thing. And... we've only seen him out of that whole outfit in one scene... a flasback... and he was pretty much sitting down the entire time. We couldn't be for sure. I'm just saying. You never know, just like the Aqua thing. I don't think that ATW will be too important either... but rather his apprentices... AKA the somebodies of Xemnas, Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexaues, and Zexion. Their names are Xehanort, Bleig/Braig, Dilan, Even, Eleaus, and Ienzo.

[Anima Relic]

^True, but just because Mickey isn't a king in BBS, doesn't mean he's a keyblade MASTER. Besides that, how is Sora and Riku MASTERS. They only had the keyblade for one year. What if I get a keyblade I become a MASTER all of a sudden? I thought that when you were a master of something you actually could do everything possible with whatever you are a master in. As far as I know Sora can't transform is keyblade like Terra can, neither can Riku. Mastership takes EXPERIENCE!!!! Mickey in the other KH games could be a MASTER, since he had the experience. But in BBS I think Mickey just got his keyblade, and doesn't have enough experience to call him a master.

[Ranma]

Just because he's not a KEYBLADE master in BBS doesn't mean that he is incapable of being VAT's liege. And besides, I recall Terra saying that he didn't truly know what a Keyblade was. Maybe their "commander" isn't a keyblade "master", And since when do we use the KH terms as to the way they are in the dictionary? I always thought that Square Enix meant for all players to think of Keyblade weilders as Keyblade "masters". Anyways... I never thought that it was that hard to use. Everytime I've seen a character get a Keyblade the first time, they kick decent @$$ right away. And Terra is just awesome. That's simply it.

[Rufus Shinra]

It is stated : VAT MASTER said them to go after MX. Meaning they have a Master.

And even if KH doesn't use normal dictionary, a Keyblade Master is still a Master, and that implies a lot. What I don't think Mickey has in BBS.

[Ranma]

That is true, but I think that there is a difference between a Keyblade master and VAT's master. I don't think that their master is necessarily a Keyblade master. We hardly know anything about VAT's master at this point, no?

[Rhapsody]

YenSid is a master, but he is not keyblade master right??

[Ranma]

Prince of Heart is right. We were just talking about how Yen Sid was the King's master/teacher. Yen Sid taught Mickey magic. We don't know if VAT's master is a Keyblade weilder or not, let alone master. For all we know, Yen Sid could've been VAT's master. We just don't know. But... if we're going to go crazy with this whole symbol thing... I think that VAT's master is a new character all together. All we can do is hope that he/she will be revealed in the game

[Rhapsody]

I think YenSid teach Mickey about the keyblade too. I believe VAt's master is a new character too.

[Ranma]

Originally posted by: Grace_Assassin

I started thinking about Terra and the Kingdom Key. It has the King's seal as a keychain, and so does the Inverse Kingdom Key. We've always taken that for granted as a mark for Disney, but I don't think it's an accident. The game will be dealing with chasers. The definition of a chaser is one who embosses or engraves metal, so let's assume, for all intents and purposes, that this does in fact mean that a Chaser is someone who creates keyblades (I honestly think this is it, based on intuition and the fact that Nomura said this game would go into the keyblade's origin). So, since it has the King's seal, and he is their Master in this case, Terra, Aqua, and/or Ven must have created the Kingdom Key and Inverse Kingdom Key, or maybe, as I believe, Mickey himself created the two keyblades. Now why would they create those two keys? Simple. What was their purpose in the first game? To seal Kingdom Hearts, of course. And it all adds up. If they intend to do the same in BbS, they'd probably seal off Kingdom Hearts so Xehanort could not get it. That would basically mean that someone, Mickey or TAV, would have to go into Kingdom Hearts, into the Dark Realm with the Inverse KK, and lock it from the inside as well as the one using the KK on the outside. Now, where is the Inverse KK in KH1? In the Dark Realm.

Mickey has his own keyblade, the Starseeker. Two keyblades are required to seal KH, as told by the prophecy (read in the room for Hollow Bastion before the final fight in KH). So why couldn't Mickey just use that keyblade? Well, it clearly needed to be that specific pair, they are inverses after all. Let's say that Mickey lost the Starseeker somehow. If a wielder is simply chosen to wield a keyblade, then how did he know the Inverse KK was in the Dark Realm? He was there, when someone went in KH to seal it off from Master Xehanort using the Inverse Kingdom Key. The only problem with this is that I'm still wondering if Mickey has some sort of Amnesia, as, even though he was in BbS, he did not recognize the name Xehanort when he met AtW, and he has not mentioned the events, nor has he done anything like "LOL Sora, I made the KK and you're using it, weird, amirite?!"

However... it might just be a case of him not telling the others for one reason or another. He knew Sora's name at the end of KH, and yet he had never met him before. Terra "assigned" the keyblade to Riku, one of the two boys on Destiny Islands, and Mickey, who would also be a chaser considering that he's TAV's master, might have been there to witness it. I believe, though, that Mickey, upon seeing that Riku was becoming evil, reassigned it to Sora (this is in consideration of the fact that the alignment of the wielder does not constitute how the keyblade chooses, it can be used for light or dark, and yet the KK switched from Riku to Sora for that very reason). Sound sketchy?

[Grace Assassin]

Originally Posted by Anima Relic

^True, but just because Mickey isn't a king in BBS, doesn't mean he's a keyblade MASTER. Besides that, how is Sora and Riku MASTERS. They only had the keyblade for one year. What if I get a keyblade I become a MASTER all of a sudden? I thought that when you were a master of something you actually could do everything possible with whatever you are a master in. As far as I know Sora can't transform is keyblade like Terra can, neither can Riku. Mastership takes EXPERIENCE!!!! Mickey in the other KH games could be a MASTER, since he had the experience. But in BBS I think Mickey just got his keyblade, and doesn't have enough experience to call him a master.

Oh, for Pete's sake, STOP making facts up. Please. It hurts. You don't know that Mickey "just got his keyblade", you just made that up out of absolutely nowhere.

I started thinking about Terra and the Kingdom Key. It has the King's seal as a keychain, and so does the Inverse Kingdom Key. We've always taken that for granted as a mark for Disney, but I don't think it's an accident. The game will be dealing with chasers. The definition of a chaser is one who embosses or engraves metal, so let's assume, for all intents and purposes, that this does in fact mean that a Chaser is someone who creates keyblades (I honestly think this is it, based on intuition and the fact that Nomura said this game would go into the keyblade's origin). So, since it has the King's seal, and he is their Master in this case, Terra, Aqua, and/or Ven must have created the Kingdom Key and Inverse Kingdom Key, or maybe, as I believe, Mickey himself created the two keyblades. Now why would they create those two keys? Simple. What was their purpose in the first game? To seal Kingdom Hearts, of course. And it all adds up. If they intend to do the same in BbS, they'd probably seal off Kingdom Hearts so Xehanort could not get it. That would basically mean that someone, Mickey or TAV, would have to go into Kingdom Hearts, into the Dark Realm with the Inverse KK, and lock it from the inside as well as the one using the KK on the outside. Now, where is the Inverse KK in KH1? In the Dark Realm.

Mickey has his own keyblade, the Starseeker. Two keyblades are required to seal KH, as told by the prophecy (read in the room for Hollow Bastion before the final fight in KH). So why couldn't Mickey just use that keyblade? Well, it clearly needed to be that specific pair, they are inverses after all. Let's say that Mickey lost the Starseeker somehow. If a wielder is simply chosen to wield a keyblade, then how did he know the Inverse KK was in the Dark Realm? He was there, when someone went in KH to seal it off from Master Xehanort using the Inverse Kingdom Key. The only problem with this is that I'm still wondering if Mickey has some sort of Amnesia, as, even though he was in BbS, he did not recognize the name Xehanort when he met AtW, and he has not mentioned the events, nor has he done anything like "LOL Sora, I made the KK and you're using it, weird, amirite?!"

However... it might just be a case of him not telling the others for one reason or another. He knew Sora's name at the end of KH, and yet he had never met him before. Terra "assigned" the keyblade to Riku, one of the two boys on Destiny Islands, and Mickey, who would also be a chaser considering that he's TAV's master, might have been there to witness it. I believe, though, that Mickey, upon seeing that Riku was becoming evil, reassigned it to Sora (this is in consideration of the fact that the alignment of the wielder does not constitute how the keyblade chooses, it can be used for light or dark, and yet the KK switched from Riku to Sora for that very reason). Sound sketchy?

Pardon me, Ranma, but I would thoroughly appreciate you crediting me for this considering you just copied and pasted it.

[Ranma]

Sorry, Grace_Assassin. I forgot. I edited it, and put in your name.