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Old 02/12/08, 12:33 AM   #1
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Default The idea of a soul-less isn't that far fetched.

When you get that statue of Auron in Hades' chamber, its description says something along the lines of "it is said to hold his soul". This completely rejects the idea that a person without a soul is dead. My theory is that a person dies only when his soul is destroyed. Since Auron's soul was still intact, he did not die, but he lived as a puppet without free will. This might mean something in BBS since I am sure that BBS has something to do with souls. Therefore, there could actually be a Soul-less.

I also theorize that the person possessing the soul can control the person the soul once belonged to. This supports that other theory that the DS was controlling Master Xehanort. He might have had MX's soul somewhere. I'm not saying that the whole DS-is-controlling-MX thing is true, but it is a possibility. Again these are just thoughts, so please don't flame me.

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Old 02/12/08, 12:39 AM   #2
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Hum, maybe, but I think the rule on soul of the the underworld exist only there, like the malediction of PoC exist only in its world...
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Old 02/12/08, 12:41 AM   #3
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could be but i dunno.....ehhh..
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Old 02/12/08, 12:55 AM   #4
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Default Re: The idea of a soul-less isn't that far fetched.

Of course it isn't far fetched, it's totally possible. People just don't seem to like the idea. I can see why of course, but you know how things are.

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When you get that statue of Auron in Hades' chamber, its description says something along the lines of "it is said to hold his soul". This completely rejects the idea that a person without a soul is dead. My theory is that a person dies only when his soul is destroyed. Since Auron's soul was still intact, he did not die, but he lived as a puppet without free will. This might mean something in BBS since I am sure that BBS has something to do with souls. Therefore, there could actually be a Soul-less.
I would say more along the lines that Auron's soul was trapped within the statue... Also, I think the only reason Auron came back to life was due to the fact that Hades, the god of the underworld, brought him back to life... And since Auron isn't "from" that world, it somewhat supports the thought that lost souls, regardless of where they come from, go to the underworld...

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I also theorize that the person possessing the soul can control the person the soul once belonged to. This supports that other theory that the DS was controlling Master Xehanort.
Which, in my opinion, is one of the stupidest theories I've ever seen...

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Old 02/12/08, 01:26 AM   #6
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When you get that statue of Auron in Hades' chamber, its description says something along the lines of "it is said to hold his soul". This completely rejects the idea that a person without a soul is dead. My theory is that a person dies only when his soul is destroyed. Since Auron's soul was still intact, he did not die, but he lived as a puppet without free will. This might mean something in BBS since I am sure that BBS has something to do with souls. Therefore, there could actually be a Soul-less.

I also theorize that the person possessing the soul can control the person the soul once belonged to. This supports that other theory that the DS was controlling Master Xehanort. He might have had MX's soul somewhere. I'm not saying that the whole DS-is-controlling-MX thing is true, but it is a possibility. Again these are just thoughts, so please don't flame me.

if you want the theory about DS controlling MX, click here.
1. You do realize that Auron was still dead right?
2. His body wasn't anywhere. His soul turned to pyreflies, or did you not see the credits?
3. Aside from that, that was Auron's soul. The body dies. Nothing has been said about what happens to the soul, although we kind of get the picture from Auron even being in the underworld.
4. The Ansem Reports are law. Nothing can repeal them short of the hand of Nomu-san himself.

So thereness. XP
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Old 02/12/08, 01:35 AM   #7
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2. His body wasn't anywhere. His soul turned to pyreflies, or did you not see the credits?
IT WUZ DA FAYTE!!!!!1 THE FAAYYTE I TELLS YA! *pulls hair out* SORA IS JUST A DREAM CREATED BY THE FAYTE!!!

....I'm spelling fayte wrong, aren't I? >>;

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4. The Ansem Reports are law. Nothing can repeal them short of the hand of Nomu-san himself.
Ansem's report is a theory by the character thats prolly 85-95% true and is also told from HIS point of view.
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IT WUZ DA FAYTE!!!!!1 THE FAAYYTE I TELLS YA! *pulls hair out* SORA IS JUST A DREAM CREATED BY THE FAYTE!!!
It's Fayth dammit [stabs VAT ithrough the skull with masamune]

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Ansem's report is a theory by the character thats prolly 85-95% true and is also told from HIS point of view.
LAW! NOTHING! REPEAL!

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Law? Then I guess I'm a criminal. ;'D
And according to this "Law", Namine and Rox should not exsit as Ansem says, yet they do~! :'O
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Old 02/12/08, 02:49 AM   #10
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I think it only has control over his will because remember when Hades said about eliminating Hercules, He also said that Auron would eliminate Sora, Donald, and Goofy, but he refused, and Hades sort of harmed him, or made him do his bidding. So I think it only controls his will.
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Old 02/12/08, 04:01 AM   #11
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NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!

The ANSEM reports are lies.

The SECRET ANSEM reports are true.
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Old 02/12/08, 04:14 AM   #12
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NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!

The ANSEM reports are lies.

The SECRET ANSEM reports are true.
I think that's what he means. Ansem's reports. Not THE Ansem reports. Ansem's reports=SAR while The Ansem Reports=The ones written by Xehanort.

But I agree with PMF on this one. Ansem's reports are basically the constitution of the Kh world. You contradict the Ansem reports, your theory is null and void.

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4. The Ansem Reports are law. Nothing can repeal them short of the hand of Nomu-san himself.

So thereness. XP
Mass QFT. We just keep finding things to agree on. I'm gonna have to take back what I said about what you do to theories at first. I see where you come from now. Sometimes, theories NEED the rape you put forth. XD
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Old 02/12/08, 06:05 AM   #13
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When you get that statue of Auron in Hades' chamber, its description says something along the lines of "it is said to hold his soul". This completely rejects the idea that a person without a soul is dead.
Sora says "This is what belongs in Auron's heart" Hmmm So no goud as such yet...


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This might mean something in BBS since I am sure that BBS has something to do with souls. Therefore, there could actually be a Soul-less.
I disagree with this theory cause I still believe that if the soul leave the body it's dead. You need body and soul to make nobody.


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I would say more along the lines that Auron's soul was trapped within the statue... Also, I think the only reason Auron came back to life was due to the fact that Hades, the god of the underworld, brought him back to life... And since Auron isn't "from" that world, it somewhat supports the thought that lost souls, regardless of where they come from, go to the underworld...
Quoted for emphisis, Let us not forget Auron was dead! Hades bringing him back ment that Auron had a debt to pay. I personally can't remember the movie hercules but it was done there too I remember the statue. Which is a thing I probably need to do, is rent a copy aye? Hmm "Note to self, for the weekend."


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Which, in my opinion, is one of the stupidest theories I've ever seen...
Hense Hades, Hades owned Auron's soul, he still does cause he brought him back from the dead. Controlling/Posessing is anothing thing than sepreating. It was also said that it was Auron's free-will NOT HIS SOUL!

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4. The Ansem Reports are law. Nothing can repeal them short of the hand of Nomu-san himself.
Quoted for truth.
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Law? Then I guess I'm a criminal. ;'D
And according to this "Law", Namine and Rox should not exsit as Ansem says, yet they do~! :'O
ooooOOOOOOOoooooo
Okay some of the Ansem reports saying's are wrong but judging about what has been said by them BBS is heavily based on that. Roxas and Namine were an exception because before then they didn't know any better, now The ansem reports were written before they're existance so until then the ansem reports speak truth. It's like how people said the world was flat, because they'd never found any evidence to eliminate that theory.
If BBS is ten years before the actual KH Rox and Namine weren't in existance, therefore they'd never seen any expection to those laws. AtW had nothing seem them before, Xehanort had never seen anything contridictory to the statement before. If we talk BBS then yes Ansem reports are law.

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But I agree with PMF on this one. Ansem's reports are basically the constitution of the Kh world. You contradict the Ansem reports, your theory is null and void.
Quoted for truth.

So yes I do NOT agree with this theory.
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Old 02/12/08, 06:12 AM   #14
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Law? Then I guess I'm a criminal. ;'D
Just don't fight the law, because according to the song, the law will win. Or maybe you just shouldn't shoot the deputy, I don't know. I'll ask my friend, she has a criminal justice degree.

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It's Fayth dammit [stabs VAT ithrough the skull with masamune]
Don't you mean maythtermune? Oh, snap I am on fire!! (>'.')> <3<3<3 <(*,'<)

Aww, seriously, I think it may have more to do with this:

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Hum, maybe, but I think the rule on soul of the the underworld exist only there, like the malediction of PoC exist only in its world...
I think they inserted that little spiel in Port Royal about how being from a different world affects you differently - or sometimes not at all - to kind of explain away seeming loopholes like this one. I still don't believe the soul is going to be this new enemy; since the beginning of the series a person has been described as being made of three parts: Body, Mind, and Heart. I don't think "Soul" fits in.
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Old 02/12/08, 07:04 AM   #15
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the container that held Aurons soul is called a Phalactacary, or somesuch, it is usually used by dark magics to perserve the soul of a lich, so when the body is destroyed the soul still has a vessel. so it technically does not die, until the phalactacary is broken. And yes, Auron WAS being controlled. In magic it is presumed that having ones full name can give another power over you, your name is your being, your soul, and Hades defiently had Aurons name AND soul...so he was a practical meat./soul puppet...but thats as far as the soulless theory goes for me....
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