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[Crimson]

Yey, Rixam! ^^
And Hi, Ducky! : P Now there's some familiar faces here....

AXEL IS HOT! <3

Thank you very much. *bows*

[Organization_42]

Wow, the club is really growing!

Originally Posted by Seiramu

Just deal with it...and I'll try to deal with you AkuRoku hating people ;___; bawwww) and I just love the way he cares so much about Roxas.

Very well, we have an accord. :)

I like how he cares about Roxas too, I just don't like/want it to be in a romantic way. Brotherly friendship FTW!

Originally Posted by Seiramu

I don't hate straight pairings or anything, but I don't like Axel/anyone-else-other-than-Roxas, simply because it's clear he cares so much about him and only him hahah. I'm not talking about a love-love thing btw, just that he cares about him and I can't really see him falling in love with Larxene or Naminé (or Demyx, Marluxia etc. rofl).

Well, I'm not sure that's the case. When they were confronted by Saix in the novels, Axel's first thought was to get Namine out. And throughout that whole scene, he was trying to figure out to escape and keep Saix from going after Namine at the same time. Namine obviously cares about him a lot because she was the one to heal him after Saix attacked again and left him for dead. I doubt Axel and Namine's relationship is anything like the one he had with Roxas, but it shows Roxas isn't the only one he cares about.

He also likes Sora. And even though Sora and Roxas are the same person in a way, you can tell that Axel sees them as two different people. He says to Sora, "It's funny...you make me feel the same way." He thought it was strange, even though Sora is Roxas' Nobody, so it's really not that strange at all. It's because Sora and Roxas have such different personalities, so he probably thinks of them as two friends instead of one.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

I know people don't like it when yaoi fangirls pair up Roxas with Axel, but come on! Just compare how Axel interacts with Roxas with how he interacts with Larxene or Marluxia or whatever...anyone else. I've met people that say "it's clear that Axel likes Larxene" and I always go "WTF". I don't want to bash other pairings because everyone can interpret the things as they want...but stuff like that makes me want to PROOOOVE Axel doesn't like Larxene (just look at the COM scenes with Axel in it and compare them to the REMEMBRANCE scene from FM+. Yep, it's clear that he cares more about Roxas than anyone else). Also, everything (well maybe not everything but a lot) Axel does is for Roxas or at least comes close to him hahah.

That's because he was a different person in Chain of Memories than he was in KH2. We will probably see that development in 358/2 Days. At that point, he was still a fiercely loyal member of the Organization. In fact, he remained that way up until he was ordered to kill Roxas. He wanted to stay where he was, but he couldn't bring himself to do what they wanted him to do, so he had no choice but to leave. Otherwise I think he would've followed Roxas when he decided to leave to find Sora.

Anyway, *TwilightNight* also pointed out to me when we were having this very same debate- Axel kills Vexen and Zexion, and happily goes after Marluxia, but not Larxene. Actually, there's a time gap between the moment when he lets Namine go and the moment when Sora battles Larxene, and an even bigger gap between Namine's escape and Axel's battle with Marluxia. Where were they? We don't know, but it's possible that Axel and Larxene confronted each other, but they both got out of it alive. Hmm.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

And just think like this, you yaoi-hating fangirls (just kidding ;D)

*in Luxord voice* A challenge, is it? ;)

Originally Posted by Seiramu

if Roxas was a girl you will be all convinced Axel LOVES Roxas. Come on, don't deny it, you know I'm right!

I'm not so sure about that either. Certainly not everyone would embrace it. A lot of people think Sora/Kairi is canon, and many more still don't like it.

I don't think I would like it, because I also don't like Axel/Namine or Axel/Kairi. And Namine is like Roxas' twin. Even though the former pairing did have some cute scenes in the novel translations I read, it all goes down the tube when I remember that she only comes up to his waist. I mean, it's one thing if a 35-year-old man marries a 25-year-old woman, because they're both adults, and probably have a similar level of maturity. An adult dating a young teenager is a lot harder for me to swallow.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

BTW HAVE YOU GUYS READ THE NOVEL? Don't blame me for liking Axel/Roxas XD but Axel's so gay in some of those scenes

It's funny, because I thought it provided more proof that he wasn't gay...

Originally Posted by Seiramu

...I MEAN watching Roxas SLEEP!? Coming as close to him while he sleeps that Roxas almost bumps his head against his!? BEING IN THE SAME ROOM AS ROXAS CHANGES HIS CLOTHES?! OOOOH boy, and not only that one, there are more scenes that makes me go: ROFL AXEL YOU"RE SUCH A FLAMER.

Kind of off-topic, but I never understood the point of watching someone sleep. LOL, wouldn't that get boring after a while?!

But back to Axel and Roxas. I think Axel was just coming up to tell Roxas that there was a meeting, saw he was asleep, and bent over to wake him up. And SMACK!

As for being in the same room, wasn't he just putting his Org coat on? Either way, people tend to be more embarassed when someone from the opposite sex is in the room when they change, not the same sex. I'm sure if Larxene or Xion walked in on him, it would have been a different story.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

But in return for you Axel/Naminé fangirls, there is a scene that Axel lies on Naminés lap.

EVEN I TOUGHT THAT WAS CUTE AARGH.

That scene was funny/cute. Namine's just helping out a friend, taking care of him and trying to make him feel better, and all he can think is, "Uhhh...AWKWARD."

I can't bring myself to like that pairing either, however. I prefer them as friends.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

Must...stay....on....the....dark....side....with....only....Axel...and....Roxas.

*pokes head out of hiding spot* I wouldn't say that if I were you, you're only going to encourage *TwilightNight*...*continues hiding to resist the brainwashing*

[*TwilightNight*]

ZOMG. I come on, looking over to answer Ogranization_42's reply, and I see some Axel/Roxas discussion/debate. I haven't seen one of those in ages. Yet, don't worry, love, we accept everything Axel, but if one doesn't agree, don't take offense. As I said before, really, don't begin killing each other. If you want to respond, do it in a well reserved and polite debate. It makes the club more interesting.

Just to add a tidbit, and something that I noticed, if Axel really did love Roxas or had feelings for him, you would think that in their LAST meeting in the FM+ scene in the clock tower, he would've admitted and expressed it, as that could be their last time seing each other the way they did there. But he doesn't, and in fact, says, "Seeya, partner." My one time and last two cents there.

And...

RIXAM, YOU'RE IN.

I'm so happy there's more people.

Originally Posted by Organization_42

*chants* Axel/Aerith, Axel/Aerith, Axel/Aerith...

I will NOT give in to peer pressure! *breaks free* Run! Run away!

*pokes head out of hiding spot* I wouldn't say that if I were you, you're only going to encourage *TwilightNight*...*continues hiding to resist the brainwashing*

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! The DARK SIDE of Larxel will be mine!! And you will join meeeeee! BWUAHAHA! >DDDDDDD Come, cooome, my friend. Hehehehe. JOIN US. Surrender to the darkness!



*ties her to chair with chains, with Re: CoM Axel/Larxene scenes replaying, and replaying, with the Larxel essay *TN* did (that will be posted again on the bottom)*

Heeeeeheeeee.

The one right before Larxene goes to fight Sora.

Really? o.O I thought that was when she flirts the most with him. Wait, I don't even know when the Heart conversation that they had took place. Er, whatever >.>.

Kind of ironic how "ladies" is plural when there's only one lady, and "gentleman" is singular when there's plenty of men...

And he's suppose to be a intelligent researcher *shakes head*. Tsk.

Yeah, but not as bad this time around.

Still bad.

Yeah, but they just write the script. They don't direct, produce, or act it out. They create the story, and then the rest of the crew takes it and interprets it a certain way. I've also heard many times how Johnny Depp basically took the character and made him his own.

Not tired of Jack, just all the attention he gets. Because now I hear rumors that if they make Pirates 4, it would be better to kick Will and Liz out and take Jack in a new direction. Then it wouldn't be Pirates of the Caribbean to me.

Of course, it's all just speculation, because Disney has even confirmed that they'll make a Pirates 4 in the near future.

Yes, that's how skilled Johnny Depp is :3. However, with the lines and appearances Jack has done, you would think that the script is, being the written work, the same thing as how much Jack's screentime is. The directors, produccers, and crew can add all they want, but I doubt they were responsible of putting Jack in every scene they could, because otherwise, the plot and action will not make sense.

As for the next subject, I thought that was because Will and Liz's story and run were finished in PotC 3, and they had reached a proper ending for her and her adventure, as well as Will. It was a sad one, true, but epic nonetheless. Not everything ends in happily ever after. You can add Liz somewhere ina future sequel, but she is pretty much done, at least, character wise.

Anyway, here's something to cheer you up:

Captain Axel Sparrow!

There's another one in need of some character development. I liked what I read in the novel translations, how he liked Roxas and didn't like the idea of fighting him, but didn't know what else to do and felt compelled to obey orders. It's sad.

I think Demyx is the most purest and innocent in the Organization. He's carefree, happy, and his attitude is adorable. All the members are jaded and distant. Even Axel and Roxas are jaded and distant. He's the only one who isn't.

But once the army was gone, there was nothing else left. And Sora knew he had other people helping out in various places: Donald, Goofy, Mickey, Leon and the gang, etc. Those Dusks, on the other hand, just kept coming and coming, with no end in sight, and they were basically stuck. Though it reminds me of how weird it is the way Donald, Goofy, and Mickey just randomly disappear once Sora and Axel start fighting together, and then they reappear after he dies...

That's exactly my point. Donald and Goofy were right beside him, and I doubt the Dusks would've kept coming and coming until there was nothing left. If Sora could fight Xemnas with Riku over three times, and he's suppose to be the most powerful and strong, I still don't know what was so hard about simple Dusks. That's why I would've preferred Axel sacrificing himself with massive Nobody dragons. At least, that makes it more valuable and understandable than he created suicide because he was emo and lonely.

Me too. I like the image of Axel being like an older brother/mentor/friend figure to Roxas, which is why I'm liking that he's in charge of training him in the Organization.

*sings* Brother, my brother....

I like the brotherly aspect of Axel and Roxas as well. Just once, I would like to see two males that care for each other without having to be gay, or dubbed as one. I've seen guys in real life who are straight and have cried, hugged, and have the deepest friendship that is very touching. It doesn't mean they are right off homosexual.

The day I get tired of Axel is the day I get tired of Kingdom Hearts in general, which won't be for a long, long time!

And no, it doesn't change that, but it's more acceptable than him just getting attention for the heck of it.

HURRAH! HURRAH! HUR- *gets shot*

Yet, he still does get attention for the heck of it xP.







Since everyone did it, I'm going to repost what I collected in the previous club about why I like Axene/Larxel/AkuRaku since this is the topic as of now, and what it means to me in canon (what was presented, anyway) and fanon. I doubt me and Organization_42 will go over this again xD. Though, believe me, I know is quite one-sided:

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I LOVE the Axel/Larxene pairing, my fave fanon.

Larxene looks and fits better with Axel overall. Red and Yellow. Fire and Lightning. It gives off a kind of compatibility: same, but yet different. Personally, I find them cute in the outer aspect. Usually, I wouldn't like a fanon pairing this much, but what got me to like Larxel is, despite Axel's nonchalance and not responsive to Larxene in the game, they had chemistry, the suggestive touches playing a part. I don't know if I'm alone in this, however. And is not simple chemistry either, but actual sexual chemistry, which is a first for KH (and more so than Sora/Kairi and Roxas/Naminé can ever get to). I don't know whether it was intentional, or Axel and Larxene are the kind of pair that it just comes to them naturally, but it was HAWT. All I know is that when I saw that, I wanted to screw Axel, and see someone get slammed on a wall for a sexy make-out session.

Just by their words, tones, facial expressions, etc. Just pure chemistry. Those two just have that "click". I think I even got a chill. I didn't even paid them much mind before, until Re: CoM, and I got the vibe in 3D.

Coming from that, depsite my like, I was honestly surprised at how MUCH Larxene flirted with Axel in Re: CoM, since I never expected it (wasn't even there in the GBA version. Makes me wonder what Nomura was thinking). I know Axel is as hot as his power (and attractive, oh so very much), but, wow. I swear, it almost seemed like she wanted to go under his cloak and rub her hands over his chest or something (which I would have done if I was in her place, can't miss a chance after all). I found those moments quite enticing, and it was there that it made me think, what would've happened if they did have more depth and more of a relationship? A perfect example of what would have been an entertaining love/hate, even sexually teasing, relationship, which we need, compared to the sappyness and innocence of the other two couples we know. Axel and Larxene are actually capable of having flaws, moreso being Nobodies.

Not only can they have deep conversations (about the heart), to the point of even hinting at Roxas somewhat indirectly, but also casual talks as well, something that, Axel doesn't appear to share with anyone else, in that castle. He even seems to know the way she works, even warning her not to go overboard when dealing with Sora, and in Jiminy's Journal, it outright says in her profile that she gets along well with him (this is probably more on the argument that she likes him, and it makes me wonder why Marluxia wasn't menioned there, considering he's her partner). It also feels like Axel is the only one, other than Marluxia, of course, who seems to be patient with her personality and actions. Like saying something witty back or teasing her, for example, that scene after she came from her first battle with Sora:

Larxene: Whew...throwing the battle back there really wore me out.
Axel: Throwing the battle? Looks to me like you plain old lost the battle *smirk*.
Larxene: H-How dare you! You just don't appreciate the finer nuances of - .

Or he could easily brush it off.

Notice here, also, that while with other members, no doubt, like Vexen, she merely bites back, when she could've have easily insulted at any given second, or even worse. That's one of my favorite things about this. Her attitude when she's with him. She's more laidback, playful, somewhat nice, as best as she can to someone she appreciates, and even teams up with him in a goal to ill-humor Vexen and make fun of him. That has to be one of my highlighted scenes. They just flow together, and I think I love her the best when she's more at ease.

Away from all that, now comes, which as I said Ogranization_42 knows, my opinion. I'm basically going to summarize it, more because I'm planning to save this speech for future reference in case I need nice, long, paragraphs of why I like them xP. Or better, I'm just going to requote myself:

What interests me the most here, is the lingering look he gives her when she leaves behind her back, before he just scoffs, and says that line. I'm curious to know what he was thinking (there are CoM novels as well, so maybe, if lucky, that could be in). I don't think he was contemplating about the info, because she already gave it to him, and his expression wasn't malicious or condescending, but more like...I can't explain it. I don't know, I took it as Axel, at least for a few short seconds, almost feeling some kind of reluctance to what he was doing, instead of being a complete, complete a-hole.

Is like he's in thought, and in the actual video, he then just blinks/lowers his eyes, and returns to his usual cunning self. I don't know, it makes me wonder.

I think he didn't care much for Larxene, yet he got along with her well when in company.

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*in response that Larxene was only flirting with Axel to annoy him xP*

But then again, how does kissing the card he threw at her when he wasn't looking be to annoy him? I mean, that's pretty drastic (and kind of weird/funny). And Axel should have told her to back off as well. Is not like he was succeeding in hiding his annoyance anyway if that was her intention, so why let her continue? He doesn't even have to yell, just say some snarky bad@ss comment in the way he does, and get out of it while being cool still. Meh, whatever. They are many ways to interpret the scene on the viewers. That's why Nomura is so cute with those.

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That's what I said, that he doesn't care much for Larxene, yet he holds her in some regard of a acquaintance. Maybe enough to make him hesitate for a few seconds, but it still wasn't enough bonding to fully derive him from achieving his goal. Take notice, that while he killed Vexen, made Repliku suck the energy out of Zexion, and fought Marluxia saying he was going to get rid of him, he didn't kill Larxene or Lexaeus. Lexaeus is explainable, but Larxene died by herself, and he never confronted her like he did the rest.

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I never said that Axel cared for her the same way he did Roxas, just that she was a companion, that, if given a chance, would've been important to him as time flew past. You're comparing this, to Roxas, who is his best friend and the person he cares for, or who he has a heart connection with (I don't mean gay, I mean, that Roxas makes him somewhat feel like he has a heart). That's not the point here. The fact is, that he did give a lingering look when she disappeared, and it could be seen as hesitation for just a few seconds, or some form of thought. The relationship, other than a acquaintance, wasn't as strong enough to stop him from doing his job, and to stop her. Think about trying to convince Larxene. There just wasn't that type of connection to think that they can depend on one another. Larxene was naïve, maybe blinded because perhaps she really did want him to join, for some reason or other, but Axel, just didn't share the same sentiment. Is the same way you greet somebody at school you don't really talk to or interact much with, it doesn't affect you the same way, as say, your best friend. Remember, back in CoM, Axel was as cold as Antarctica.

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I think it's more telling that he didn't go off and get rid of her first like the rest. There must be a skip where Axel let Naminé go, and when Larxene found out about the treachery. He could've had a chance to. It begs the question of, what if she didn't confront Sora? I'm hoping the CoM novels will go into more of the members in CO, and their real thoughts.

I think he got along with her well enough to not only talk about certain topics, but to put up with her, and at least give some kind of hint that he was rethinking about something in his mind in those few seconds he watched her. That was the highest affect she had on him, at the least. Not that it worked on fully stopping him, yet, it shows that the company wasn't as bad the rest he had to deal with in the Organization, considering the only one he liked was Roxas, as said so himself. You never know with the guy, really.

In fact, if they ever got further on building a sort of relationship (whether it be friends or otherwise), I think he would have the power to actually change her for the better, like Roxas did to him. After all, what I believe Larxene needs is some TLC xD, and Axel seems to bring out the best in her.

And that's it in a nutshell. I'll probably round up the quotes and put it to fit with the rest (since it's quite repeated) once another thread where I need to post my feelings on the matter comes. In conclusion, I like what could've been, with the complexity, and the dark relationship they may have had. They really did have potential, it was just too bad it didn't go further. If I have to pair anyone up with Axel, it would be her. And to be honest, in my opinion, if there was any other Axel cared for as deep as Roxas, it would've been her. If given the chance, though.

Damn it, it was long anyway, wasn't it?

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[Mari]

WOW! I LOVED the Captain Axel Sparrow :drool:

I'm not really fond of AkuRoku either though.. Well.. Sometimes I do get almost covinced that theres something more than friendship there.. But... I will still stick with that they have a very close friendship which I find very beautiful! There is something special about a close friendship between two boys and I love Axel and Roxas friendship!

As for parings, there are not many I can pair Axel up with... Kairi and Namine seems both to young for him and waaaaaaay to short! I can't imagine Axel with any of the FF girls... But Larxene, yes I can imagine him with Larxene! And I like how they look together!

[*TwilightNight*]

I KNEW some will love the Captain Axel Sparrow :3. I know I did, and drooled constantly, so much that I spent minutes gazing at it. Beautiful artwork. Beautiful.

I definitely would not mind Axel being a pirate at all.

Originally Posted by Rixam

WOW! I LOVED the Captain Axel Sparrow :drool:

I'm not really fond of AkuRoku either though.. Well.. Sometimes I do get almost covinced that theres something more than friendship there.. But... I will still stick with that they have a very close friendship which I find very beautiful! There is something special about a close friendship between two boys and I love Axel and Roxas friendship!

As for parings, there are not many I can pair Axel up with... Kairi and Namine seems both to young for him and waaaaaaay to short! I can't imagine Axel with any of the FF girls... But Larxene, yes I can imagine him with Larxene! And I like how they look together!

I love you.

<3


But in all seriousness, I think that's why mainly Axel gets paired up with Roxas more, and other members of the Organization: there's, really, if you think about it, no girls for him canonly. Larxene was close, but that was scrapped and it wasn't expanded on, unfortunately. The only reasonable coupling he could be with in the way that they actually interacted, are in the same age range, and got along well in someway. And it was taken down before it began. The best you can do is go to crack pairings for him, and that's that. Otherwise, all he has is...males to be around him. With this, there's not many choices.

For Kairi and Naminé, they are already paired with Sora and Roxas respectively, so you won't see much of them with Axel. And not many are particularly fond of it either. Not to mention, is rightly pedophilia and are too small sized for him to be normal, which fits Roxas as well. With Riku, AT LEAST, he's the right age for those two girls, and in the beginning, you could see him paired up with Kairi, the possibility was there in KH1, in CoM, he went with Naminé until Roxas made his reign in KH2, taking over, and now, I predict, that some will like him and Xion together. He shows he cares for everyone too, so he's easier to dismiss.

In the case of Axel, the only one he truly, really cares for and behemently goes out of his way for is, Roxas. He said so himself that he's the only one who he does care for in his deathbed. And is because of this, that Axel gets a lot of flack for being gay. Both him and Riku don't have a love interest the way Sora and Roxas do, and with the lack of development of Kairi's part, and with Naminé only having short scenes with Roxas, is easy to see why yaoi pairings exist. There's a good reason why it's so rampant in the KH fandom.

In my opinion, this crap about the best friends getting nothing while their male friend gets a girl, is ridiculous. Keep the trio, yet having a love interest for them does not mean it'll break it, if done correctly.

I blame Nomura.

Then again, I always do :D. But, being the brains behind the game, you would think he was against females altogether at the small percentage of them that are important to the plot, and rarely gets the spotlight males have, or the proper development. It's too late for making flaws, so I see him as very mediocre concerning characters so far. And plot. That 14th member was right out of a fanfic. In fact, I even think I saw the name Xion in one of those before she was known.

[Seiramu]

@Organization_42 SO MANY QUOTES AARGH XDDD

Very well, we have an accord.

I like how he cares about Roxas too, I just don't like/want it to be in a romantic way. Brotherly friendship FTW!

But just because you don't want it, doesn't mean there isn't any romance in the air hohoho (ok I don't really believe there is much romance...but I still stand where I stand: Axel likes Roxas!)

Well, I'm not sure that's the case. When they were confronted by Saix in the novels, Axel's first thought was to get Namine out. And throughout that whole scene, he was trying to figure out to escape and keep Saix from going after Namine at the same time. Namine obviously cares about him a lot because she was the one to heal him after Saix attacked again and left him for dead. I doubt Axel and Namine's relationship is anything like the one he had with Roxas, but it shows Roxas isn't the only one he cares about.

He also likes Sora. And even though Sora and Roxas are the same person in a way, you can tell that Axel sees them as two different people. He says to Sora, "It's funny...you make me feel the same way." He thought it was strange, even though Sora is Roxas' Nobody, so it's really not that strange at all. It's because Sora and Roxas have such different personalities, so he probably thinks of them as two friends instead of one.

Ok, I do have to admit you're right. I think Axel cares about Naminé too (I read the novels too btw) but I always go back to this: "ROXAS WAS THE ONLY ONE I LIKED BAWWWW" so...he cares about Naminé because well...WHO CAN HATE HER!? I really like Naminé D: and I even like NaminéxRoxas for a bit. ANYWAY I DIGRESS. GO FIND KAIRI. Oh wait, what I meant is, Axel cares about her but he cares MORE about Roxas and LIKES Roxas hohoho.

I think Axel likes Sora because Roxas = Sora you know? Like, he wants to help Sora so he can help Roxas in a way. So in the end, I think it isn't about him but about Roxas.

That's because he was a different person in Chain of Memories than he was in KH2. We will probably see that development in 358/2 Days. At that point, he was still a fiercely loyal member of the Organization. In fact, he remained that way up until he was ordered to kill Roxas. He wanted to stay where he was, but he couldn't bring himself to do what they wanted him to do, so he had no choice but to leave. Otherwise I think he would've followed Roxas when he decided to leave to find Sora.

Anyway, *TwilightNight* also pointed out to me when we were having this very same debate- Axel kills Vexen and Zexion, and happily goes after Marluxia, but not Larxene. Actually, there's a time gap between the moment when he lets Namine go and the moment when Sora battles Larxene, and an even bigger gap between Namine's escape and Axel's battle with Marluxia. Where were they? We don't know, but it's possible that Axel and Larxene confronted each other, but they both got out of it alive. Hmm.

Yes he was different in COM. He was a cold manipulating bastard x3 BUT LOOK! ROXAS HAS MELTED HIS HEART! If he had one that is...but anyway, you get what I mean right haha. I mean, he even cried FOR ROXAS! And I know that, because I have Final Mix+ at home. Youtube quality is shit, but on my tv I CAN SEE HIM CRYING FOR HIS LOVER BAWWW ;__;

Yes, he goes after Marluxia BUT HE SENDS LARXENE TO HER DEATH ROFL. He gives her a card so she can fight Sora so Sora can kick her butt 'cause he knows that Sora's power >>>> Larxene's power. That way, he doesn't have to dirty his hands. And so, while Sora finishes Larxene off, he goes off to Marluxia! Such a smart guy that Axel is, don't you think? So yep, Axel doesn't care about her. If the cold shoulder he gave Larxene while she was flirting with him doesn't prove it, than this will x3. And don't give me the "HE'S PLAYING HARD TO GET, HATE-LOVE RELATIONSHIP, SOMETHING SOMETHING" talk. Seriously, he betrays her (when Larxene says: "So you're into it too huh! *betraying the Org* Well, keep it under your hood!" and Axel says: "It would have been wise if you had done the same Larxene >: D"), doesn't give a crap about her, glares at her, sends her off to her death, doesn't mind her death...ugh whatever XD you get it already.

I'm not so sure about that either. Certainly not everyone would embrace it. A lot of people think Sora/Kairi is canon, and many more still don't like it.

I don't think I would like it, because I also don't like Axel/Namine or Axel/Kairi. And Namine is like Roxas' twin. Even though the former pairing did have some cute scenes in the novel translations I read, it all goes down the tube when I remember that she only comes up to his waist. I mean, it's one thing if a 35-year-old man marries a 25-year-old woman, because they're both adults, and probably have a similar level of maturity. An adult dating a young teenager is a lot harder for me to swallow.

I LIKE KAIRI/SORA XD ...and Riku/Sora.

But ok, maybe you won't like it, but I just mean that people would ACCEPT IT. It's just simple as that. If Roxas and Axel would kiss everyone (well the yaoi fans not included) would still insist that Axel was just trying to help him get something out of his eye or something. But, because Roxas is a boy, the non-yaoi people don't and say "Axel isn't gay!!! He's from Disney!!". Well maybe it's nice to know that Disney holds a gay-parade every year hahah and that well...my mom said my brother isn't gay either, but now look D: he's as straight as a ...ok my English isn't that great, so I can't find the right word, but you get what I mean ahahah.

It's funny, because I thought it provided more proof that he wasn't gay...

Explain please O_O

Kind of off-topic, but I never understood the point of watching someone sleep. LOL, wouldn't that get boring after a while?!

But back to Axel and Roxas. I think Axel was just coming up to tell Roxas that there was a meeting, saw he was asleep, and bent over to wake him up. And SMACK!

As for being in the same room, wasn't he just putting his Org coat on? Either way, people tend to be more embarassed when someone from the opposite sex is in the room when they change, not the same sex. I'm sure if Larxene or Xion walked in on him, it would have been a different story.

People have weird hobbies XD just look at us yaoi fans for instance. Hahah.

Yeah but Roxas said
“I’ve told you not to put your face in front of me like that, Axel!”
"your face in front of me like that"
"your face in front of me"
"face in front of me"
"in front of me "
"front of me"
"of me"
"me"

..wtf XD anyway uuuh

So he likes to put his face close to him and does it more often and Roxas is still changing his clothes in the same room as Axel rofl. I mean think like this: If Roxas was your 15 year old son, would you like it if an older man looked at him while he sleeps and he's around when Roxas changes his clothes?" ROFL XD

That scene was funny/cute. Namine's just helping out a friend, taking care of him and trying to make him feel better, and all he can think is, "Uhhh...AWKWARD."

I can't bring myself to like that pairing either, however. I prefer them as friends.

I don't like the pairing either (it looks even more pedo that Axel/Roxas even if Roxas and Naminé are the same age wahah) but it was still cute XD but yeah, he was a bit uncomfortable. Or he was imagining lying in Roxas' lap.

*pokes head out of hiding spot* I wouldn't say that if I were you, you're only going to encourage *TwilightNight*...*continues hiding to resist the brainwashing

She can try all she wants XD but my opinion won't change. Just like how your guys opinion about Axel/Roxas won't change hahah. It will be just an endless discussion of yaoi vs anti-yaoi XD;;;

@*TwilightNight*
Don't worry! I'm not here to start a flame war. Like you said, this is just a discussion ^^ I'm not planning to kill anyone at all XD , seriously, people can like Axel/Larxene it's just how you intepret everything yourself...but you know, I'm an AkuRoku fangirl and I have to defend my favorite pairing! Just like how you guys do that haha ;D

[Seiramu]

What interests me the most here, is the lingering look he gives her when she leaves behind her back, before he just scoffs, and says that line. I'm curious to know what he was thinking (there are CoM novels as well, so maybe, if lucky, that could be in). I don't think he was contemplating about the info, because she already gave it to him, and his expression wasn't malicious or condescending, but more like...I can't explain it. I don't know, I took it as Axel, at least for a few short seconds, almost feeling some kind of reluctance to what he was doing, instead of being a complete, complete a-hole.

Oh you mean this scene right?

Axel says something about betraying the organization. Larxene says "so you're on to it too? Well keep it under your hood!" (Larxene thinks Axel is going to help her betray the organization) but when she leaves, Axel goes like: "Well, it would have been wise if you had done the same Larxene heh!" So now, Axel knows that Larxene is planning to betray the Organization rofl XD and is going to use that against her or something like that

ROFL XD Where is your God now Axel/Larxene fans!?

And I still can't feel any sexual tension coming off from Axel. I only see an annoyed face when Larxene is all over him rofl. Compare it to how he looks like when he's with Roxas (remember the clock scene?).

[*TwilightNight*]

Organization_42, I'll take care of the two Larxel arguments. You go ahead with the rest xD.

*cracks knuckles*

Originally Posted by Seiramu

Yes, he goes after Marluxia BUT HE SENDS LARXENE TO HER DEATH ROFL. He gives her a card so she can fight Sora so Sora can kick her butt 'cause he knows that Sora's power >>>> Larxene's power. That way, he doesn't have to dirty his hands. And so, while Sora finishes Larxene off, he goes off to Marluxia! Such a smart guy that Axel is, don't you think? So yep, Axel doesn't care about her. If the cold shoulder he gave Larxene while she was flirting with him doesn't prove it, than this will x3. And don't give me the "HE'S PLAYING HARD TO GET, HATE-LOVE RELATIONSHIP, SOMETHING SOMETHING" talk. Seriously, he betrays her (when Larxene says: "So you're into it too huh! *betraying the Org* Well, keep it under your hood!" and Axel says: "It would have been wise if you had done the same Larxene >: D"), doesn't give a crap about her, glares at her, sends her off to her death, doesn't mind her death...ugh whatever XD you get it already.

I stopped reading on the first sentence, because with that, I question whether you remember the game, overlooked it, or didn't play it or see the videos in proper order. After that first sentence, the whole paragraph failed. Larxene fights Sora two times, darling. Let me explain. In the first one, yes, Axel throws her the card, after she asks for it because she wants to have her fun too. I don't see a reason why he should deny her, and pointlessly make her mad (not even mad, I don't think she could get mad with Axel, but irritated, until the end, of course, where is understandable she's pissed at him for real). And she'll have it anyway in the end. The second battle, Axel and Larxene don't even meet before it happens, because she's not there when he lets Naminé go, is somewhere else, and we don't know where Larxene went, is, or what she was doing. Then, there was a gap between alll the events that happened from that time to when again, Larxene confronts Sora. I'm going to post Organization_42's quote:

There's a time gap between the moment when he lets Namine go and the moment when Sora battles Larxene, and an even bigger gap between Namine's escape and Axel's battle with Marluxia. Where were they?

Larxene could've easily escaped or run away in those minutes, especially when she took the liberty of finding out Naminé wasn't in the room she left her in (or Marluxia), which is surprising that Axel would even allow that chance considering he chased after Marluxia and Zexion himself, and killed Vexen mercilessly. I mean, he had her in a room all to himself most of the time, for goodness sakes. Axel didn't bring her to her death. She brought it on herself, because she didn't have to face Sora, yet did so anyway to vent.

You really can't disprove this because is in the game. We just wonder on why.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

Oh you mean this scene right?

Axel says something about betraying the organization. Larxene says "so you're on to it too? Well keep it under your hood!" (Larxene thinks Axel is going to help her betray the organization) but when she leaves, Axel goes like: "Well, it would have been wise if you had done the same Larxene heh!" So now, Axel knows that Larxene is planning to betray the Organization rofl XD and is going to use that against her or something like that

ROFL XD Where is your God now Axel/Larxene fans!?

And I still can't feel any sexual tension coming off from Axel. I only see an annoyed face when Larxene is all over him rofl. Compare it to how he looks like when he's with Roxas (remember the clock scene?).

GAWD, Axel's hot.

....

*cough*

No, I don't mean that scene. That's after he gives the lingering, thoughtful, kind of almost sad look, where he shakes it off. This is the before:



Hmm. What are you thinking? Second...second...second...*looks to the side, a bit down, scoffing*

You really can't blame people if they see it as "HE'S PLAYING HARD TO GET, HATE-LOVE RELATIONSHIP, SOMETHING SOMETHING" talk.

Not that I completely believe in it, but you can't blame em'.

For some reason, the more I look at it, the more "feel sorry" or "sad" it presents xD. I like it more than usual, because of Larxene's playful action of keeping it a secret with her finger on her lips, and turning around while waving at him like a type of companion. It shows the they "get along well" that we've seen so far in other scenes, so it must have hit him even just a bit.

And now, I will put what I said and repeat it again:
What interests me the most here, is the lingering look he gives her when she leaves behind her back, before he just scoffs, and says that line. I'm curious to know what he was thinking (there are CoM novels as well, so maybe, if lucky, that could be in). I don't think he was contemplating about the info, because she already gave it to him, and his expression wasn't malicious or condescending, but more like...I can't explain it. I don't know, I took it as Axel, at least for a few short seconds, almost feeling some kind of reluctance to what he was doing, instead of being a complete, complete a-hole.

There is a difference between defending your opinions, and replying in the way you have been, with "lol"'s, and make us appear like loons. We could easily, EASILY, do the same to you, and incredibly laugh at everything you say, more so because it doesn't flow with the game at all, and then question in the end, where is your God, dear? But we don't. There are just as many against arguments for AkuRoku as there is positive. I don't expect you to see the sexual chemistry or to see the picture in a unbiased view because of your support for AkuRoku. You just have to know that doesn't mean is not there. It's all up ro inteprretation.

[Organization_42]

Originally Posted by Seiramu

@Organization_42 SO MANY QUOTES AARGH XDDD

Sorry! It's going to be so much worse now that I have to respond to you and *TwilightNight* and Rixam...oh well!

Wow, there's some serious Axel debate going on here! I LOVE IT.

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

Yet, don't worry, love, we accept everything Axel, but if one doesn't agree, don't take offense. As I said before, really, don't begin killing each other. If you want to respond, do it in a well reserved and polite debate. It makes the club more interesting.

Ok. I will be good.

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

*ties her to chair with chains, with Re: CoM Axel/Larxene scenes replaying, and replaying, with the Larxel essay *TN* did (that will be posted again on the bottom)*

*gasp* Must...resist...not...canon...nooooo...

LOOK! AN AXEL PLUSHIE! *summons a portal of darkness and hops in* All I need to do is find Sora so he can cut me loose, and I'll be home free!

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

Really? o.O I thought that was when she flirts the most with him. Wait, I don't even know when the Heart conversation that they had took place. Er, whatever >.>.

No, no, don't you remember? They talk about the heart, and then later, before the 7th floor, Larxene says she wants her turn with the hero, so Axel gives her the cards and she kisses them and then goes up to Axel, and you know the rest...

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

Anyway, here's something to cheer you up:

OMG!!!! It's SCARY how well Axel fits in the Jack outfit! I agree, he'd make an excellent pirate! Oh how I wish that Port Royal would make it into 358/2 Days, and Axel and Roxas could go there and match wits with Jack. Hey, Luxord went there, and he obviously knew all about the curse and Isla de Muerta, so it's possible.

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

I think Demyx is the most purest and innocent in the Organization. He's carefree, happy, and his attitude is adorable. All the members are jaded and distant. Even Axel and Roxas are jaded and distant. He's the only one who isn't.

I know. I love how he asks them where Axel is and why do they have to fight Roxas. I can't wait to see him again in 358/2 Days!

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

I like the brotherly aspect of Axel and Roxas as well. Just once, I would like to see two males that care for each other without having to be gay, or dubbed as one. I've seen guys in real life who are straight and have cried, hugged, and have the deepest friendship that is very touching. It doesn't mean they are right off homosexual.

Yeah, I agree 100%. It just strikes me as a lot sweeter and more emotional if they care about each other when there's no romance involved. It makes what they do for each other that much more touching. Because it's not that either one's infatuated with the other, or in love. They do it because they are friends.

Basically, when you're in love with someone, romantically in love, it's almost taken for granted that you would do things for each other. You have committed yourself to that one person. We know the Beast would do anything for Belle because he loves her, and vice versa. Same goes for family. A friend is a bit different. You aren't really bound to them in the same way that you're bound to family or a significant other. So if something bad happens to Axel, and Roxas goes out of his way to help him, and they're not in love, well, it just seems more meaningful to me.

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

Organization_42, I'll take care of the two Larxel arguments. You go ahead with the rest xD.

LOL, ok. And then we can go back to bumping heads about whether Larxel is canon or not! (Psst...it's not! ;D)

Originally Posted by Seiramu

Ok, I do have to admit you're right. I think Axel cares about Naminé too (I read the novels too btw) but I always go back to this: "ROXAS WAS THE ONLY ONE I LIKED BAWWWW" so...he cares about Naminé because well...WHO CAN HATE HER!? I really like Naminé D: and I even like NaminéxRoxas for a bit. ANYWAY I DIGRESS. GO FIND KAIRI. Oh wait, what I meant is, Axel cares about her but he cares MORE about Roxas and LIKES Roxas hohoho.

I think Axel likes Sora because Roxas = Sora you know? Like, he wants to help Sora so he can help Roxas in a way. So in the end, I think it isn't about him but about Roxas.

Of course he cares about Roxas more, just not THAT way, if you know what I mean. And there's that whole issue of how she used to be his prisoner and all that...I'll bet they still felt a little awkward around each other.

No, I really do think he sees Sora and Roxas as different people. And he liked Sora in CoM, he even compliments him at one point when Sora says he'll find his memories on his own. "Now that's my kind of answer!"

Actually, much as I like the Axel and Roxas Duo, there's a part of me that would have rather seen an Axel and Sora Duo. It was great watching them fight side-by-side in Betwixt and Between. Plus, think about it: most dynamic duos consist of an angsty, straight-laced hero, and his sarcastic, fun-loving best friend. With Sora and Axel, I could see them bringing out the best in each other: Axel would appeal to Sora's mischevious side and Sora to Axel's more human, fun-loving side. I could see THEM pranking the Organization more than Axel and Roxas would.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

Yes he was different in COM. He was a cold manipulating bastard x3 BUT LOOK! ROXAS HAS MELTED HIS HEART! If he had one that is...but anyway, you get what I mean right haha. I mean, he even cried FOR ROXAS! And I know that, because I have Final Mix+ at home. Youtube quality is shit, but on my tv I CAN SEE HIM CRYING FOR HIS LOVER BAWWW ;__;

Yes, I saw the tear on Axel's face. People cry when they lose their loved ones, whether said loved one was a family member, significant other, or a good friend.

And I wouldn't say Roxas melted his heart...more like, he reminded him of what it was like to have a heart. After living without emotions or a real relationship with any person for years, I think it was kind of a shock for Axel to reexperience all that when he least expected it. And then to have it all taken away from him again, well, it's no wonder he almost went off the deep end.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

But ok, maybe you won't like it, but I just mean that people would ACCEPT IT. It's just simple as that. If Roxas and Axel would kiss everyone (well the yaoi fans not included) would still insist that Axel was just trying to help him get something out of his eye or something.

Now, we may not like yaoi but that doesn't make us stupid. I'm pretty sure most fans would accept it as canon if they kissed. That's kind of obvious evidence for a pairing. (Except if you're Jack Sparrow and Elizabeth Swann!) Unless there really was some extreme reason why it happened. I'm saying that I still don't see it as canon even if he was a girl.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

Explain please O_O

Well, for one thing, we found out that Axel wasn't kidnapping Kairi so he could bait Sora and turn him into a Heartless. He was doing it to help Namine. It seemed to me that at this point, he'd accepted that Roxas was gone, and it made him miserable, but he was more worried about keeping himself alive. Not obsessing over a lost friend.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

Yeah but Roxas said
“I’ve told you not to put your face in front of me like that, Axel!”

So they've bumped heads a couple of times? I dunno, it's just not clicking for me the way it normally does when I see a potential pairing...and that really doesn't have to do with whether or not I like yaoi. I just don't think Axel's being a stalker or something like that.

Originally Posted by Seiramu

I mean think like this: If Roxas was your 15 year old son, would you like it if an older man looked at him while he sleeps and he's around when Roxas changes his clothes?" ROFL XD

Depends on the older man. If it's his dad or older brother, no, I'm not going to care. If it's some random guy off the street, yes, I would care very much. ROFL

I mean, really, guys and girls change in locker rooms all the time, and nobody thinks twice about it.

Originally Posted by Rixam

I can't imagine Axel with any of the FF girls...

Aww c'mon! Aerith's perfect! If they just had ONE scene together, and only them, the dynamic would work so well...

Oh forget it. I'm destined to be alone with my crazy crack pairings.

[*TwilightNight*]

Axel debates for the WINZ!

Also, after the pairing topic dies down, cause is heating up, I just want to say that I'm not the only one who can make a topic. ALL of you can. I wanted to bring that out. So if you want something discussed, bring em' out, babeh! Nya.

Originally Posted by Organization_42

*gasp* Must...resist...not...canon...nooooo...

LOOK! AN AXEL PLUSHIE! *summons a portal of darkness and hops in* All I need to do is find Sora so he can cut me loose, and I'll be home free!

ZOMG! *foams at mouth* Where?! Where?!!! 8DDDDD Hey- wait a minu-why yoooou? D< Tricking me like that. You're making it worse, aren't you? AREN'T YOU? *grabs with super strength, and double chains on chair before she truly portals out* Now watch the videos and read, darn you!

No, no, don't you remember? They talk about the heart, and then later, before the 7th floor, Larxene says she wants her turn with the hero, so Axel gives her the cards and she kisses them and then goes up to Axel, and you know the rest...

LOL. I like how you trailed off at the end.

I phail D:.

I'm suppose to be the one liking the couple, yet I can't tell between scenes. Maybe because I haven't watch the Re: CoM videos in a while now.

OMG!!!! It's SCARY how well Axel fits in the Jack outfit! I agree, he'd make an excellent pirate! Oh how I wish that Port Royal would make it into 358/2 Days, and Axel and Roxas could go there and match wits with Jack. Hey, Luxord went there, and he obviously knew all about the curse and Isla de Muerta, so it's possible.

Do you think we should have a "Rate A Axel Picture" thing? I give the Axel Sparrow a 10+. AND I KNOW, RIGHT? :D I much prefer Axel as a pirate now, despite the fact of a city boy there. He can fit both, really. Forget Notre Dame.

I know. I love how he asks them where Axel is and why do they have to fight Roxas. I can't wait to see him again in 358/2 Days!

I can't wait to see everyone.

Yeah, I agree 100%. It just strikes me as a lot sweeter and more emotional if they care about each other when there's no romance involved. It makes what they do for each other that much more touching. Because it's not that either one's infatuated with the other, or in love. They do it because they are friends.

Basically, when you're in love with someone, romantically in love, it's almost taken for granted that you would do things for each other. You have committed yourself to that one person. We know the Beast would do anything for Belle because he loves her, and vice versa. Same goes for family. A friend is a bit different. You aren't really bound to them in the same way that you're bound to family or a significant other. So if something bad happens to Axel, and Roxas goes out of his way to help him, and they're not in love, well, it just seems more meaningful to me.

I just don't know why it has to be romantic. Yeah, Axel likes Roxas. I like my mom. I like my friends. I like my brother. There are so many different types of love, but what can you do? Yaoi fandom has taken the stages since I don't know when, and if any hot guys show they care about each other, is straight away that they are queer. Worse if they have something to back it up with by reading between the lines. Have you seen all Naruto and Sasuke do in Naruto? AkuRoku has nothing on them, yet they are pure straight. Granted, Axel's lines are questioning, yet it's also neutral enough to take into whatever context anyone wants it to be, but the FM+ should've sealed the deal. All they focus on is the tear. If I had feelings for someone or liked anyone romantically, I wouldn't say, "See you, partner", and let him go without telling him, especially if there's a chance they might not meet again, in the same way they were then. And if you think about, if "Axel" returns, he won't be Axel. Roxas is Sora. I see that FM scene as more disproving romantic AkuRoku, than the opposite.

LOL, ok. And then we can go back to bumping heads about whether Larxel is canon or not! (Psst...it's not! ;D)

Errr? D:

Larxel isn't canon. You don't have to like a pair that's not canon. Is fanon. Sora and Kairi aren't canon too, depending on your definition, at least. Most people think canon is when they hook up, for real. They can have hints and all, yet any other character can get in the way if it's not official.

I'm just trying to make you see the light, and see that Larxel was clued in and had the necessities for it, and stupid Nomura put it there for us to ponder over and make us all crazy again :3. Come out of the closet. Heehee.

[Mari]

Well.. Wehn I typed that about the FF girls I realized that I had never thought of Axel paired up with any of them before.. But when I think more about it, I still can't put up Axel with any of them... They could have looked cute together though. But I just can't imagine it.

[KAIRI_SUX]

me's back!
how is the Axel loving spreadin?

[Mari]

We are obviously disvussing Axel pairings now xD And loving Axel of course xD

[KAIRI_SUX]

i can tell
XD
oh and pairings......i have none coz i dont exactly want him to be paired up........
lawlz

[Mari]

Wanna have him for yourself? lol! xD