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			<description><![CDATA[What are your thought on Reincarnation, believe it or not, and if yes in what shape, means? Many religions have spoken on the topic, but although this thread is in the religious part, many philosophy too have a view on reincarnation, as totally separate from any religions.  I personally try to look into Carl Jung's theories of the Unus Mundus and the possibilities it has to link to reincarnation, though this is still very unclear to me.]]></description>
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			<title>D.C. vs. Catholic Church</title>
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*Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum*
Same-sex marriage bill, as written, called a threat to social service contracts
  By Tim Craig and Michelle Boorstein
Thursday, November 12, 2009 
 
 
 The Catholic Archdiocese of Washington said Wednesday that it will be unable to continue the social service programs it runs for the District if the city doesn't change a proposed same-sex marriage law, a threat that could affect tens of thousands of people the church helps with adoption, homelessness and health care. 
Under the bill, headed for a D.C. Council vote next month, religious organizations would not be required to perform or make space available for same-sex weddings. But they would have to obey city laws prohibiting discrimination against gay men and lesbians. 
Fearful that they could be forced, among other things, to extend employee benefits to same-sex married couples, church officials said they would have no choice but to abandon their contracts with the city. 
"If the city requires this, we can't do it," Susan Gibbs, spokeswoman for the archdiocese, said Wednesday. "The city is saying in order to provide social services, you need to be secular. For us, that's really a problem." 
Several D.C. Council members said the Catholic Church is trying to erode the city's long-standing laws protecting gay men and lesbians from discrimination. 
The clash escalates the dispute over the same-sex marriage proposal between the council and the archdiocese, which has generally stayed out of city politics. 
  Catholic Charities (http://www.catholiccharitiesdc.org/), the church's social services arm, is one of dozens of nonprofit organizations that partner with the District. It serves 68,000 people in the city, including the one-third of Washington's homeless people who go to city-owned shelters managed by the church. City leaders said the church is not the dominant provider of any particular social service, but the church pointed out that it supplements funding for city programs with $10 million from its own coffers. 
 "All of those services will be adversely impacted if the exemption language remains so narrow," Jane G. Belford, chancellor of the Washington Archdiocese (http://www.adw.org/home.asp), wrote to the council this week. 
The church's influence seems limited. In separate interviews Wednesday, council member Mary M. Cheh (D-Ward 3) referred to the church as "somewhat childish." Another council member, David A. Catania (I-At Large), said he would rather end the city's relationship with the church than give in to its demands. 
"They don't represent, in my mind, an indispensable component of our social services infrastructure," said Catania, the sponsor of the same-sex marriage bill and the chairman of the Health Committee. 
The standoff appears to be among the harshest between a government and a faith-based group over the rights of same-sex couples. Advocates for same-sex couples said they could not immediately think of other places where a same-sex marriage law had set off a break with a major faith-based provider of social services. 
The council is expected to pass the same-sex marriage bill next month, but the measure continues to face strong opposition from a number of groups that are pushing for a referendum on the issue. 
The archdiocese's statement follows a vote Tuesday by the council's Committee on Public Safety and the Judiciary to reject an amendment that would have allowed individuals, based on their religious beliefs, to decline to provide services for same-sex weddings. 
"Lets say an individual caterer is a staunch Christian and someone wants him to do a cake with two grooms on top," said council member Yvette M. Alexander (D-Ward 6), the sponsor of the amendment. "Why can't they say, based on their religious beliefs, 'I can't do something like that'?" 
After the vote, the archdiocese sent out a statement accusing the council of ignoring the right of religious freedom. Gibbs said Wednesday that without Alexander's amendment and other proposed changes, the measure has too narrow an exemption. She said religious groups that receive city funds would be required to give same-sex couples medical benefits, open adoptions to same-sex couples and rent a church hall to a support group for lesbian couples. 
  Peter Rosenstein of the Campaign for All D.C. Families accused the church of trying to "blackmail the city." 
"The issue here is they are using public funds, and to allow people to discriminate with public money is unacceptable," Rosenstein said. 
Rosenstein and other gay rights activists have strong support on the council. Council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), chairman of the judiciary committee, said the council "will not legislate based on threats." 
"The problem with the individual exemption is anybody could discriminate based on their assertion of religious principle," Mendelson said. "There were many people back in the 1950s and '60s, during the civil rights era, that said separation of the races was ordained by God." 
Catania, who said he has been the biggest supporter of Catholic Charities on the council, said he is baffled by the church's stance. From 2006 through 2008, Catania said, Catholic Charities received about $8.2 million in city contracts, as well as several hundred thousand dollars' worth this year through his committee. 
"If they find living under our laws so oppressive that they can no longer take city resources, the city will have to find an alternative partner to step in to fill the shoes," Catania said. He also said Catholic Charities was involved in only six of the 102 city-sponsored adoptions last year. 
Terry Lynch, head of the Downtown Cluster of Congregations, said he did not know of any other group in the city that was making such a threat. 
  "I've not seen any spillover into programming. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen if [the bill] passes," he said. 
  Cheh said she hopes the Catholic Church will reconsider its stance. 
"Are they really going to harm people because they have a philosophical disagreement with us on one issue?" Cheh asked. "I hope, in the silver light of day, when this passes, because it will pass, they will not really act on this threat."
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Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum on same-sex marriage issue - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/11/AR2009111116943.html)

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Same-sex marriage bill, as written, called a threat to social service contracts<br />
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Thursday, November 12, 2009 <br />
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 The Catholic Archdiocese of Washington said Wednesday that it will be unable to continue the social service programs it runs for the District if the city doesn't change a proposed same-sex marriage law, a threat that could affect tens of thousands of people the church helps with adoption, homelessness and health care. <br />
Under the bill, headed for a D.C. Council vote next month, religious organizations would not be required to perform or make space available for same-sex weddings. But they would have to obey city laws prohibiting discrimination against gay men and lesbians. <br />
Fearful that they could be forced, among other things, to extend employee benefits to same-sex married couples, church officials said they would have no choice but to abandon their contracts with the city. <br />
&quot;If the city requires this, we can't do it,&quot; Susan Gibbs, spokeswoman for the archdiocese, said Wednesday. &quot;The city is saying in order to provide social services, you need to be secular. For us, that's really a problem.&quot; <br />
Several D.C. Council members said the Catholic Church is trying to erode the city's long-standing laws protecting gay men and lesbians from discrimination. <br />
The clash escalates the dispute over the same-sex marriage proposal between the council and the archdiocese, which has generally stayed out of city politics. <br />
  <a href="http://www.catholiccharitiesdc.org/" target="_blank">Catholic Charities</a>, the church's social services arm, is one of dozens of nonprofit organizations that partner with the District. It serves 68,000 people in the city, including the one-third of Washington's homeless people who go to city-owned shelters managed by the church. City leaders said the church is not the dominant provider of any particular social service, but the church pointed out that it supplements funding for city programs with $10 million from its own coffers. <br />
 &quot;All of those services will be adversely impacted if the exemption language remains so narrow,&quot; Jane G. Belford, chancellor of the Washington <a href="http://www.adw.org/home.asp" target="_blank">Archdiocese</a>, wrote to the council this week. <br />
The church's influence seems limited. In separate interviews Wednesday, council member Mary M. Cheh (D-Ward 3) referred to the church as &quot;somewhat childish.&quot; Another council member, David A. Catania (I-At Large), said he would rather end the city's relationship with the church than give in to its demands. <br />
&quot;They don't represent, in my mind, an indispensable component of our social services infrastructure,&quot; said Catania, the sponsor of the same-sex marriage bill and the chairman of the Health Committee. <br />
The standoff appears to be among the harshest between a government and a faith-based group over the rights of same-sex couples. Advocates for same-sex couples said they could not immediately think of other places where a same-sex marriage law had set off a break with a major faith-based provider of social services. <br />
The council is expected to pass the same-sex marriage bill next month, but the measure continues to face strong opposition from a number of groups that are pushing for a referendum on the issue. <br />
The archdiocese's statement follows a vote Tuesday by the council's Committee on Public Safety and the Judiciary to reject an amendment that would have allowed individuals, based on their religious beliefs, to decline to provide services for same-sex weddings. <br />
&quot;Lets say an individual caterer is a staunch Christian and someone wants him to do a cake with two grooms on top,&quot; said council member Yvette M. Alexander (D-Ward 6), the sponsor of the amendment. &quot;Why can't they say, based on their religious beliefs, 'I can't do something like that'?&quot; <br />
After the vote, the archdiocese sent out a statement accusing the council of ignoring the right of religious freedom. Gibbs said Wednesday that without Alexander's amendment and other proposed changes, the measure has too narrow an exemption. She said religious groups that receive city funds would be required to give same-sex couples medical benefits, open adoptions to same-sex couples and rent a church hall to a support group for lesbian couples. <br />
  Peter Rosenstein of the Campaign for All D.C. Families accused the church of trying to &quot;blackmail the city.&quot; <br />
&quot;The issue here is they are using public funds, and to allow people to discriminate with public money is unacceptable,&quot; Rosenstein said. <br />
Rosenstein and other gay rights activists have strong support on the council. Council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), chairman of the judiciary committee, said the council &quot;will not legislate based on threats.&quot; <br />
&quot;The problem with the individual exemption is anybody could discriminate based on their assertion of religious principle,&quot; Mendelson said. &quot;There were many people back in the 1950s and '60s, during the civil rights era, that said separation of the races was ordained by God.&quot; <br />
Catania, who said he has been the biggest supporter of Catholic Charities on the council, said he is baffled by the church's stance. From 2006 through 2008, Catania said, Catholic Charities received about $8.2 million in city contracts, as well as several hundred thousand dollars' worth this year through his committee. <br />
&quot;If they find living under our laws so oppressive that they can no longer take city resources, the city will have to find an alternative partner to step in to fill the shoes,&quot; Catania said. He also said Catholic Charities was involved in only six of the 102 city-sponsored adoptions last year. <br />
Terry Lynch, head of the Downtown Cluster of Congregations, said he did not know of any other group in the city that was making such a threat. <br />
  &quot;I've not seen any spillover into programming. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen if [the bill] passes,&quot; he said. <br />
  Cheh said she hopes the Catholic Church will reconsider its stance. <br />
&quot;Are they really going to harm people because they have a philosophical disagreement with us on one issue?&quot; Cheh asked. &quot;I hope, in the silver light of day, when this passes, because it will pass, they will not really act on this threat.&quot;
			
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			<title>Vatican Looks to Heavens for Signs of Alien Life</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_sc/eu_vatican_aliens)


---Quote (Originally by ARIEL DAVID, Associated Press Writer Ariel David, Associated Press Writer   – Tue Nov 10, 6:20 pm ET)---
VATICAN CITY – E.T. phone Rome. Four hundred years after it locked up Galileo for challenging the view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has called in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien life and its implication for the Catholic Church.

"The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration," said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory.

Funes, a Jesuit priest, presented the results Tuesday of a five-day conference that gathered astronomers, physicists, biologists and other experts to discuss the budding field of astrobiology — the study of the origin of life and its existence elsewhere in the cosmos.

Funes said the possibility of alien life raises "many philosophical and theological implications" but added that the gathering was mainly focused on the scientific perspective and how different disciplines can be used to explore the issue.

Chris Impey, an astronomy professor at the University of Arizona, said it was appropriate that the Vatican would host such a meeting.

"Both science and religion posit life as a special outcome of a vast and mostly inhospitable universe," he told a news conference Tuesday. "There is a rich middle ground for dialogue between the practitioners of astrobiology and those who seek to understand the meaning of our existence in a biological universe."

Thirty scientists, including non-Catholics, from the U.S., France, Britain, Switzerland, Italy and Chile attended the conference, called to explore among other issues "whether sentient life forms exist on other worlds."

Funes set the stage for the conference a year ago when he discussed the possibility of alien life in an interview given prominence in the Vatican's daily newspaper.

The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically through the centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among other ideas, that other worlds could be inhabited.

Scientists have discovered hundreds of planets outside our solar system — including 32 new ones announced recently by the European Space Agency. Impey said the discovery of alien life may be only a few years away.

"If biology is not unique to the Earth, or life elsewhere differs bio-chemically from our version, or we ever make contact with an intelligent species in the vastness of space, the implications for our self-image will be profound," he said.

This is not the first time the Vatican has explored the issue of extraterrestrials: In 2005, its observatory brought together top researchers in the field for similar discussions.

In the interview last year, Funes told Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano that believing the universe may host aliens, even intelligent ones, does not contradict a faith in God.

"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said in that interview.

"Just as there is a multitude of creatures on Earth, there could be other beings, even intelligent ones, created by God. This does not contradict our faith, because we cannot put limits on God's creative freedom."

Funes maintained that if intelligent beings were discovered, they would also be considered "part of creation."

The Roman Catholic Church's relationship with science has come a long way since Galileo was tried as a heretic in 1633 and forced to recant his finding that the Earth revolves around the sun. Church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.

Today top clergy, including Funes, openly endorse scientific ideas like the Big Bang theory as a reasonable explanation for the creation of the universe. The theory says the universe began billions of years ago in the explosion of a single, super-dense point that contained all matter.

Earlier this year, the Vatican also sponsored a conference on evolution to mark the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin's "The Origin of Species."

The event snubbed proponents of alternative theories, like creationism and intelligent design, which see a higher being rather than the undirected process of natural selection behind the evolution of species.

Still, there are divisions on the issues within the Catholic Church and within other religions, with some favoring creationism or intelligent design that could make it difficult to accept the concept of alien life.

Working with scientists to explore fundamental questions that are of interest to religion is in line with the teachings of Pope Benedict XVI, who has made strengthening the relationship between faith and reason a key aspect of his papacy.

Recent popes have been working to overcome the accusation that the church was hostile to science — a reputation grounded in the Galileo affair.

In 1992, Pope John Paul II declared the ruling against the astronomer was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension."

The Vatican Museums opened an exhibit last month marking the 400th anniversary of Galileo's first celestial observations.

Tommaso Maccacaro, president of Italy's national institute of astrophysics, said at the exhibit's Oct. 13 opening that astronomy has had a major impact on the way we perceive ourselves.

"It was astronomical observations that let us understand that Earth (and man) don't have a privileged position or role in the universe," he said. "I ask myself what tools will we use in the next 400 years, and I ask what revolutions of understanding they'll bring about, like resolving the mystery of our apparent cosmic solitude."

The Vatican Observatory has also been at the forefront of efforts to bridge the gap between religion and science. Its scientist-clerics have generated top-notch research and its meteorite collection is considered one of the world's best.

The observatory, founded by Pope Leo XIII in 1891, is based in Castel Gandolfo, a lakeside town in the hills outside Rome where the pope has his summer residence. It also conducts research at an observatory at the University of Arizona, in Tucson.
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With the Church open to that possibility, it would be interesting to see how they would fit alien life into the grand scheme of things.]]></description>
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				<div style="font-style:italic">VATICAN CITY – E.T. phone Rome. Four hundred years after it locked up Galileo for challenging the view that the Earth was the center of the universe, the Vatican has called in experts to study the possibility of extraterrestrial alien life and its implication for the Catholic Church.<br />
<br />
&quot;The questions of life's origins and of whether life exists elsewhere in the universe are very suitable and deserve serious consideration,&quot; said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory.<br />
<br />
Funes, a Jesuit priest, presented the results Tuesday of a five-day conference that gathered astronomers, physicists, biologists and other experts to discuss the budding field of astrobiology — the study of the origin of life and its existence elsewhere in the cosmos.<br />
<br />
Funes said the possibility of alien life raises &quot;many philosophical and theological implications&quot; but added that the gathering was mainly focused on the scientific perspective and how different disciplines can be used to explore the issue.<br />
<br />
Chris Impey, an astronomy professor at the University of Arizona, said it was appropriate that the Vatican would host such a meeting.<br />
<br />
&quot;Both science and religion posit life as a special outcome of a vast and mostly inhospitable universe,&quot; he told a news conference Tuesday. &quot;There is a rich middle ground for dialogue between the practitioners of astrobiology and those who seek to understand the meaning of our existence in a biological universe.&quot;<br />
<br />
Thirty scientists, including non-Catholics, from the U.S., France, Britain, Switzerland, Italy and Chile attended the conference, called to explore among other issues &quot;whether sentient life forms exist on other worlds.&quot;<br />
<br />
Funes set the stage for the conference a year ago when he discussed the possibility of alien life in an interview given prominence in the Vatican's daily newspaper.<br />
<br />
The Church of Rome's views have shifted radically through the centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating, among other ideas, that other worlds could be inhabited.<br />
<br />
Scientists have discovered hundreds of planets outside our solar system — including 32 new ones announced recently by the European Space Agency. Impey said the discovery of alien life may be only a few years away.<br />
<br />
&quot;If biology is not unique to the Earth, or life elsewhere differs bio-chemically from our version, or we ever make contact with an intelligent species in the vastness of space, the implications for our self-image will be profound,&quot; he said.<br />
<br />
This is not the first time the Vatican has explored the issue of extraterrestrials: In 2005, its observatory brought together top researchers in the field for similar discussions.<br />
<br />
In the interview last year, Funes told Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano that believing the universe may host aliens, even intelligent ones, does not contradict a faith in God.<br />
<br />
&quot;How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?&quot; Funes said in that interview.<br />
<br />
&quot;Just as there is a multitude of creatures on Earth, there could be other beings, even intelligent ones, created by God. This does not contradict our faith, because we cannot put limits on God's creative freedom.&quot;<br />
<br />
Funes maintained that if intelligent beings were discovered, they would also be considered &quot;part of creation.&quot;<br />
<br />
The Roman Catholic Church's relationship with science has come a long way since Galileo was tried as a heretic in 1633 and forced to recant his finding that the Earth revolves around the sun. Church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.<br />
<br />
Today top clergy, including Funes, openly endorse scientific ideas like the Big Bang theory as a reasonable explanation for the creation of the universe. The theory says the universe began billions of years ago in the explosion of a single, super-dense point that contained all matter.<br />
<br />
Earlier this year, the Vatican also sponsored a conference on evolution to mark the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin's &quot;The Origin of Species.&quot;<br />
<br />
The event snubbed proponents of alternative theories, like creationism and intelligent design, which see a higher being rather than the undirected process of natural selection behind the evolution of species.<br />
<br />
Still, there are divisions on the issues within the Catholic Church and within other religions, with some favoring creationism or intelligent design that could make it difficult to accept the concept of alien life.<br />
<br />
Working with scientists to explore fundamental questions that are of interest to religion is in line with the teachings of Pope Benedict XVI, who has made strengthening the relationship between faith and reason a key aspect of his papacy.<br />
<br />
Recent popes have been working to overcome the accusation that the church was hostile to science — a reputation grounded in the Galileo affair.<br />
<br />
In 1992, Pope John Paul II declared the ruling against the astronomer was an error resulting from &quot;tragic mutual incomprehension.&quot;<br />
<br />
The Vatican Museums opened an exhibit last month marking the 400th anniversary of Galileo's first celestial observations.<br />
<br />
Tommaso Maccacaro, president of Italy's national institute of astrophysics, said at the exhibit's Oct. 13 opening that astronomy has had a major impact on the way we perceive ourselves.<br />
<br />
&quot;It was astronomical observations that let us understand that Earth (and man) don't have a privileged position or role in the universe,&quot; he said. &quot;I ask myself what tools will we use in the next 400 years, and I ask what revolutions of understanding they'll bring about, like resolving the mystery of our apparent cosmic solitude.&quot;<br />
<br />
The Vatican Observatory has also been at the forefront of efforts to bridge the gap between religion and science. Its scientist-clerics have generated top-notch research and its meteorite collection is considered one of the world's best.<br />
<br />
The observatory, founded by Pope Leo XIII in 1891, is based in Castel Gandolfo, a lakeside town in the hills outside Rome where the pope has his summer residence. It also conducts research at an observatory at the University of Arizona, in Tucson.</div>
			
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</div>With the Church open to that possibility, it would be interesting to see how they would fit alien life into the grand scheme of things.</div>

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			<title>Mark Biltz reveals some Facinating info based of Hebrew Bible passages</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[This is more for Christians.  this guy found some extremely interesting things detaling the stock market crash 2008 and other things Just based of the book of Genesis detailing info on the crucifiction of christ, as well as other things all based of hebrew text and other such fascinating discoveries.  pay attention.  this may blow your minde=


Link: YouTube - Mark Biltz Q&A with Ray Bentley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmqU2bUpqY)
6qmqU2bUpqY

Link: YouTube - Mark Biltz Q & A with Ray Bentley 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHEwB-KAkoA)
PHEwB-KAkoA]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>This is more for Christians.  this guy found some extremely interesting things detaling the stock market crash 2008 and other things Just based of the book of Genesis detailing info on the crucifiction of christ, as well as other things all based of hebrew text and other such fascinating discoveries.  pay attention.  this may blow your minde=<br />
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Link: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmqU2bUpqY" target="_blank">YouTube - Mark Biltz Q&amp;A with Ray Bentley</a><br />
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Link: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHEwB-KAkoA" target="_blank">YouTube - Mark Biltz Q &amp; A with Ray Bentley 2</a><br />
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			<title>So apparently Kids are too stupid to choose their religion.</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:48:10 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I'm no religious fanatic but only in the Catholic schools because public high schools in New York City are generally shitty in comparison. But my senior year religion teacher told me that unlike interracial marriages, intereligious marriages are apparently SO difficult mostly around children and what faiths they'll end up supporting (if they want to be religious at all). I respond and say that the Kids should choose whatever faith or lack of faith they want at a mature age but she responded that Kids are too stupid and can't choose things like that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I'm no religious fanatic but only in the Catholic schools because public high schools in New York City are generally shitty in comparison. But my senior year religion teacher told me that unlike interracial marriages, intereligious marriages are apparently SO difficult mostly around children and what faiths they'll end up supporting (if they want to be religious at all). I respond and say that the Kids should choose whatever faith or lack of faith they want at a mature age but she responded that Kids are too stupid and can't choose things like that.</div>

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			<title>Nothing is impossible because I have God with me...*facepalm*</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:00:02 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Yes..."Nothing is impossible because I have God with me." Something my very Christian friend said. Now I know she said this in good humor, but she said it in a way that came across as if she could go out and do anything and be just fine because she 'has god,' and that really bugged me not even getting into how technically 'God has you' and I'm Christian. It's not true at all to me. Going by Christian belief, god decides everything that happens to you and if you go out and do something stupid god will make bad things happen if he decides they will happen. The fact you have him changes nothing. 
 
Then another thing...in the youth group I went to there was this kid who would get all goosebumpy because he could 'feel' the presence of God while we were singing and he would talk about it all emotional, but also like he was so much better than people for it. This also irritated me. I mean the whole thing behind this religion is that God is everywhere all the time. You can't just feel him one minute and not feel him the next like he left or something because he didn't.
 
Now these two examples got me thinking about one other thing...fake christians. I don't mean it like they are pretending, but more like they just get so carried away they say and do things that don't fit.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Yes...&quot;Nothing is impossible because I have God with me.&quot; Something my very Christian friend said. Now I know she said this in good humor, but she said it in a way that came across as if she could go out and do anything and be just fine because she 'has god,' and that really bugged me not even getting into how technically 'God has you' and I'm Christian. It's not true at all to me. Going by Christian belief, god decides everything that happens to you and if you go out and do something stupid god will make bad things happen if he decides they will happen. The fact you have him changes nothing. <br />
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Then another thing...in the youth group I went to there was this kid who would get all goosebumpy because he could 'feel' the presence of God while we were singing and he would talk about it all emotional, but also like he was so much better than people for it. This also irritated me. I mean the whole thing behind this religion is that God is everywhere all the time. You can't just feel him one minute and not feel him the next like he left or something because he didn't.<br />
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Now these two examples got me thinking about one other thing...fake christians. I don't mean it like they are pretending, but more like they just get so carried away they say and do things that don't fit.<br />
Your thoughts?</div>

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			<title>Publicly Promoting Atheism?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:41:48 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I found this very interesting. 

About 200 buses in London and 600 more throughout the UK have this slogan plastered to them. In addition it has been on big screens in town squares.


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There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.
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This is a campaign in response to several religious advertisements across the nation.

The hopes of the campaign is to get more atheists to "come out" and reveal their views. The only reason that word "probably" is in there is because of advertising standards that say it is impossible to prove God doesn't exist. Otherwise the idea they were trying to get across is "There's no God."

Now this brings up many issues that have been debated in the past -

Atheism being organized
Atheism publicly promoted
Atheist "evangelists" growing in numbers

Among other things. 

What are your views on this? I wont ask too many specific questions but just what are your thoughts towards the campaign in general?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I found this very interesting. <br />
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About 200 buses in London and 600 more throughout the UK have this slogan plastered to them. In addition it has been on big screens in town squares.<br />
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</div>This is a campaign in response to several religious advertisements across the nation.<br />
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The hopes of the campaign is to get more atheists to &quot;come out&quot; and reveal their views. The only reason that word &quot;probably&quot; is in there is because of advertising standards that say it is impossible to prove God doesn't exist. Otherwise the idea they were trying to get across is &quot;There's no God.&quot;<br />
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Now this brings up many issues that have been debated in the past -<br />
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Atheism being organized<br />
Atheism publicly promoted<br />
Atheist &quot;evangelists&quot; growing in numbers<br />
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Among other things. <br />
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What are your views on this? I wont ask too many specific questions but just what are your thoughts towards the campaign in general?</div>

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