Amendment One Passes in North Carolina

[Haeralis]

RALEIGH, N.C. — North Carolina approved a constitutional amendment Tuesday defining marriage solely as a union between a man and a woman, becoming the latest state to effectively slam the door shut on same-sex marriages.
With most of the precincts reporting Tuesday, unofficial returns showed the amendment passing with about 61 percent of the vote to 39 percent against. North Carolina is the 30th state to adopt such a ban on gay marriage.
Tami Fitzgerald, who heads the pro-amendment group Vote FOR Marriage NC, said she believes the initiative awoke a silent majority of more active voters in the future.
"I think it sends a message to the rest of the country that marriage is between one man and one woman," Fitzgerald said at a celebration Tuesday night. "The whole point is simply that you don't rewrite the nature of God's design based on the demands of a group of adults."
In the final days before the vote, members of President Barack Obama's cabinet expressed support for gay marriage and former President Bill Clinton recorded phone messages urging voters to oppose the amendment.
Supporters of the amendment responded with marches, television ads and speeches. Church leaders urged Sunday congregations to vote for the amendment. The Rev. Billy Graham was featured in full-page newspaper ads backing the amendment.
North Carolina law already bans gay marriage, but an amendment effectively seals the door on same-sex marriages.
The amendment also goes beyond state law by voiding other types of domestic unions from carrying legal status, which opponents warn could disrupt protection orders for unmarried couples.
The campaign manager for the group that opposed the amendment said the nation watched North Carolina on Tuesday night, wondering how the anti-forces came through.
"I am happy to say that we are stronger for it; we are better for it; our voices are louder now," said Jeremy Kennedy of Protect All NC Families. "We have courage like we never had before, and we have strength to continue on."
Both sides spent a combined $3 million on their campaigns.
Six states – all in the Northeast except Iowa – and the District of Columbia allow same sex marriages. In addition, two other states have laws that are not yet in effect and may be subject to referendums
The North Carolina amendment was placed on the ballot after Republicans took over control of the state Legislature after the 2010 elections, a role the GOP hadn't enjoyed for 140 years.
Joe Easterling, who described himself as a devout Christian, voted for the amendment at a polling place in Wake Forest.
"I know that some people may argue that the Bible may not necessarily be applicable, or it should not be applicable, on such policy matters. But even looking at nature itself, procreation is impossible without a man and a woman. And because of those things, I think it is important that the state of North Carolina's laws are compatible with the laws of nature but, more importantly, with the laws of God."
Linda Toanone, who voted against the amendment, said people are born gay and it is not their choice.
"We think everybody should have the same rights as everyone else. If you're gay, lesbian, straight – whatever," she said.
North Carolina is the latest presidential swing state to weigh in on gay marriage. Florida, Virginia and Ohio all have constitutional amendments against gay marriage, and Obama's election-year vagueness on gay marriage has come under fresh scrutiny.
Obama, who supports most gay rights, has stopped short of backing gay marriage. Without clarification, he's said for the past year and a half that his personal views on the matter are "evolving."
Later Tuesday, Obama's campaign said he was "disappointed" with the amendment. Obama campaign spokesman Cameron French said in a Tuesday statement that the ban on same-sex unions is "divisive and discriminatory." Same-sex couples deserve the same rights and legal protections as straight couples, French said.
Education Secretary Arne Duncan stated on Monday his unequivocal support for same-sex marriage, a day after Vice President Joe Biden said he is "absolutely comfortable" with same-sex married couples getting the same rights at heterosexual married couples.
One fault line that could determine the result is generational. Older voters, who tend to be more reliable voters, were expected to back the amendment.
State House Speaker Thom Tillis, a Republican from a Charlotte suburb, said earlier in the day that even if the amendment passed, it would be reversed as today's young adults age – within 20 years. "It's a generational issue," Tillis told a student group at North Carolina State University in March about the amendment he supports.
"Also, that amendment is against women, I believe, because also underneath the amendment, other laws are saying that people who aren't married at all, they can't file for domestic abuse cases, if they're living with their significant other. Which is wrong," Toanone said.
In North Carolina, more than 500,000 voters had cast their ballot before Tuesday, which was more than the 2008 primary when Obama and Hillary Clinton were fighting for the Democratic presidential nomination. Both sides said that bodes well for them.

Amendment One, North Carolina Gay Marriage Ban, Passes Vote

[Reflection]

the amendment also goes beyond state law by voiding other types of domestic unions from carrying legal status

also underneath the amendment, other laws are saying that people who aren't married at all, they can't file for domestic abuse cases, if they're living with their significant other.

these people are shit. i can't believe stupid fundamentalism wormed its way into such a dangerous policy.

[Narukami]

"I think it sends a message to the rest of the country that marriage is between one man and one woman," Fitzgerald said at a celebration Tuesday night. "The whole point is simply that you don't rewrite the nature of God's design based on the demands of a group of adults."

Are they even pretending that we have separation of church and state? That Christianity or any other belief should not influence government decisions? I'm not saying that it will ever truly happen, but come on... Really? At least act like you've read the Constitution.

[XIII Heartless]

Eh. I'm as indifferent as I'll ever be on this matter.

[Reflection]

Eh. I'm as indifferent as I'll ever be on this matter.

oh really? i hope one day you have to hear screaming from next door that can't be helped because you have to be LEGALLY MARRIED to file for domestic abuse. or see someone being forced to leave a hospital when the love of their life is dying because they aren't LEGALLY MARRIED and can't stay with them, and i hope you pass by someone living in poverty because they can't afford anything without the social security benefits they deserve because they're not LEGALLY MARRIED. oh, and technically, if you're not LEGALLY MARRIED, you can't keep anything from your home and no one pays for a funeral if one of you dies. that's a nice cherry on top, huh?

indifference is cool bro, but if you're ever in a situation where people ignore your suffering under the guise of "god's design", i hope you feel the pain of it.

[XIII Heartless]

oh really? i hope one day you have to hear screaming from next door that can't be helped because you have to be LEGALLY MARRIED to file for domestic abuse. or see someone being forced to leave a hospital when the love of their life is dying because they aren't LEGALLY MARRIED and can't stay with them, and i hope you pass by someone living in poverty because they can't afford anything without the social security benefits they deserve because they're not LEGALLY MARRIED.

indifference is cool bro, but if you're ever in a situation where people ignore your suffering under the guise of "god's design", i hope you feel the pain of it.

I was referring to the gay marriage bit. That's actually my fault, I really should've clarified.

As for the domestic abuse part, I thought THAT was some ol bullshit. Abuse is abuse. But I'm inclined to think you can still file for something in a situation like that. It just may not be called domestic abuse. What it'd be called, idk, and it's all ridiculous to me. That you'd turn a blind eye to an incident like that because of a matter of status is sickening.

But hey, this is our world, isn't it? Smh.

[Laxtory]

i'd assume you could still file for assault and battery

[XIII Heartless]

i'd assume you could still file for assault and battery

Yes, this is what I was trying to get at. I suppose, as long as they aren't completely turning away battered individuals because they aren't married.

[Laxtory]

plus, not calling it "domestic abuse" makes complete sense to me.

like, let's say i was living in an apartment with a friend who was a girl. and one day i just get super upset and lose it and wail on her. that's not domestic abuse. so why should it be considered domestic abuse if i'm wailing on my girlfriend? being in a relationship has no legal meaning whatsoever, unlike marriage.

[Reflection]

because you chose not to be married to your girlfriend. but for same-sex couples in that situation, with no choice, their lack of marriage does have legal meaning--that they won't recieve the same help het couples will.

As for the domestic abuse part, I thought THAT was some ol bullshit. Abuse is abuse. But I'm inclined to think you can still file for something in a situation like that. It just may not be called domestic abuse.

unless you specifically file for domestic abuse, you get to cover all the court costs. (on top of whatever health insurance, savings, childcare you may have to cover for not being married TOO!)

this is all the same thing. gays and unmarried couples are in the same boat of you-need-this-certificate-to-be-worth-something to our government.

[XIII Heartless]

Like Celtis, not calling it domestic abuse makes sense to me; the technicalities and whatnot that follow, however, I disagree entirely with.

A ninja loses a little more faith in people every day nowadays.

[The Conquerer]

And we wonder why important shit never gets fixed, too busy dealing with "issues" like these. I guess this poses as a nice distraction from the real problems.

[A]

I typed a pretty lengthy paragraph about this subject but lost it due to a power outage. not in the mood to wright everything from the beginning so i'll post a short video that conveys most of my opinion about the matter

[Twilightheaven]

My opinion for Same Sex Marriage is this. I was raised that marriage is between a man and a women but I am not going to lose sleep if tommorow government says that same sex marriage is legal. This subject like Roe vs Wade will never have an end result because it is going to be challenged every time it is brought up.

[aldrain]

I was referring to the gay marriage bit. That's actually my fault, I really should've clarified.

As for the domestic abuse part, I thought THAT was some ol bullshit. Abuse is abuse. But I'm inclined to think you can still file for something in a situation like that. It just may not be called domestic abuse. What it'd be called, idk, and it's all ridiculous to me. That you'd turn a blind eye to an incident like that because of a matter of status is sickening.

But hey, this is our world, isn't it? Smh.

I'm indifferent on the gay marriage part. I don't agree with it, but I think at this point in time it's a bit douchy to just outlaw it. And the domestic abuse thing... I think that is their way to discourage people from living eachother until marriage, but, I do believe that the person being abused can file assault charges or aggarvated battery or something like that. Meh, this bill isn't necesarilly bad, it just wasn't well thought out. We will see how it actually plays out. Sometimes assault charges, if there is a good lawyer present, can do some damage to the defendent. That last sentence is my uneducated guess, obviously. I wouldn't really know.