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Old 05/24/08, 01:20 AM   #31
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Dude, it's nothing that YOU did wrong.
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Your past isn't your fault.
Please do not try to feed anybody a shit sundae.

If you sit back for six years and allow yourself to be repeatedly abused, you have done something wrong. It's perfectly fine to be sympathetic, but don't fill her head with bullshit that might make her think she handled the situation well -- she didn't. She claims that she could've stopped him if she'd wanted to, so how is any of this not almost entirely her fault?

EDIT: Okay, so apparently Nate lied to me about one wing angel's gender. Too lazy to edit my entire post, but replace the word "her" with "his" where appropriate.

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Old 05/24/08, 01:34 AM   #32
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Please do not try to feed anybody a shit sundae.

If you sit back for six years and allow yourself to be repeatedly abused, you have done something wrong. It's perfectly fine to be sympathetic, but don't fill her head with bullshit that might make her think she handled the situation well -- she didn't. She claims that she could've stopped him if she'd wanted to, so how is any of this not her almost entirely fault?
lets consider the fact that it was a guy this happened to first
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Old 05/24/08, 02:00 AM   #33
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if you can stop some one from hurting you and you dont your either dumb or like that person alot
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Old 05/24/08, 12:38 PM   #34
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Please do not try to feed anybody a shit sundae.

If you sit back for six years and allow yourself to be repeatedly abused, you have done something wrong. It's perfectly fine to be sympathetic, but don't fill her head with bullshit that might make her think she handled the situation well -- she didn't. She claims that she could've stopped him if she'd wanted to, so how is any of this not almost entirely her fault?

EDIT: Okay, so apparently Nate lied to me about one wing angel's gender. Too lazy to edit my entire post, but replace the word "her" with "his" where appropriate.
teh i don't think you could understand what it's like to have someone you've known for years and was your only friend since birth would do something to you i wouldn't think you would understand the feeling of being totally alone all the time. i said i was weak i admitted it i don't need YOU to remind me of that teh actually from now on take your own advice. just don't talk >_>
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Old 05/24/08, 02:39 PM   #35
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EDIT: Okay, so apparently Nate lied to me about one wing angel's gender. Too lazy to edit my entire post, but replace the word "her" with "his" where appropriate.
I assumed that it was a girl, from the rape and the whining.
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Old 05/24/08, 03:42 PM   #36
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Please do not try to feed anybody a shit sundae.

If you sit back for six years and allow yourself to be repeatedly abused, you have done something wrong. It's perfectly fine to be sympathetic, but don't fill her head with bullshit that might make her think she handled the situation well -- she didn't. She claims that she could've stopped him if she'd wanted to, so how is any of this not almost entirely her fault?
It's not a shit sundae ._. People who are abused/raped/etc often feel like it was completely their fault, but the problem goes far beyond "Well you should have done this, or you could have changed that." It's usually a deep rooted psychological problem. For someone like you or me, yeah we can see that if someone is hurting you or whatnot that you can stop it and get out of that situation... but not everyone sees things like that or can... i dunno... do it.

Was the situation handled well? No.. but he was a victim, and often victims feel utterly helpless like they can't change what's going on. Or they feel like they deserve that sort of treatment.

Hindsight is 20/20, everyone can see what they could've should've would've done, but when the situation is upon you it's a little bit harder to see those things. Being abused when you're seven years old... there isn't much you can do to get away from it. When children are abused young, they often get used to that sort of treatment ._. It's the same with people who are kidnapped and develop Stockholm Syndrome. Yeah, it doesn't make sense to people who are more or less "balanced" and can see that if it hurts you, you stay away from it ._.

And finally, when I said the past isn't his fault, what I mean is that it's not something to necessarily be ashamed of it any way. He's not at fault for having a past. What happens to us in our lifetime and the choices we may all sculpt who we are as people. Bad things that happen, good things that happen, they all add up to what we are as a whole. You can regret the past, but you can't run from it. What happened happened, and we just have to learn to push through pain and sadness that it causes and continue to live one day at a time. .__. coming to terms with ones past is rather essential to moving on as a happy human being.
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Old 05/24/08, 04:33 PM   #37
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I assumed that it was a girl, from the rape and the whining.
im pretty sure he's not whining
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and men are raped too you know. you shouldnt assume that just because it was rape it was a female
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Old 05/24/08, 04:41 PM   #38
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coming to terms with ones past is rather essential to moving on as a happy human being.
And that can be really, really hard.
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Old 05/24/08, 05:34 PM   #39
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teh i don't think you could understand what it's like to have someone you've known for years and was your only friend since birth would do something to you i wouldn't think you would understand the feeling of being totally alone all the time. i said i was weak i admitted it i don't need YOU to remind me of that teh actually from now on take your own advice. just don't talk >_>


i dont think anyone could ever fully even have a slight chance at understanding it unless it happened to them -
thats good advice
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Old 05/24/08, 06:41 PM   #40
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teh i don't think you could understand what it's like to have someone you've known for years and was your only friend since birth would do something to you i wouldn't think you would understand the feeling of being totally alone all the time. i said i was weak i admitted it i don't need YOU to remind me of that teh actually from now on take your own advice. just don't talk >_>
I was just agreeing with you and disagreeing with anybody who would claim that a person who suffers an injustice but has the full ability to stop it isn't to blame. No need to take that personally.

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I assumed that it was a girl, from the rape and the whining.
I forgive you for sucking so much.

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and men are raped too you know. you shouldnt assume that just because it was rape it was a female
Oh please.

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Old 05/27/08, 03:56 AM   #41
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I know what people mean when they say they might be adapted to abuse.
My mom is afraid that because of whats happened in my past with mental abusiveness
with people who are related to me or who were my friends, that I will choose my life to
revolve around abuse, and yeah guys can be rapped too, I know a guy who almost was.
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Old 05/27/08, 09:48 PM   #42
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one doesn't deserve to be forgiven if s/he apologizes blindly for something without knowing what it is that caused the uproar and not understanding WHY s/he should be forgiven.

saying sorry could do feck all.
you still deserve to not be forgiven for causing the hurt in the first place.

forgiveness is giving up my right to hurt you for hurting me.
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Old 05/28/08, 06:49 PM   #43
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shoot me just shoot me i can't take it anymore gawd. sorry had to vent too much held in for too long you all are right. idk what im gonna do but right now im too frustrated to think coherently. i just....ARAGHAHAHAHA. i hate myself and my life there has to be an easier way of doing this crap.
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Old 05/28/08, 07:01 PM   #44
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There isn't a easy way, so I don't think I can or anyone else can for that matter tell you what to do
or how to do it.
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Old 05/28/08, 08:44 PM   #45
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shoot me just shoot me i can't take it anymore gawd. sorry had to vent too much held in for too long you all are right. idk what im gonna do but right now im too frustrated to think coherently. i just....ARAGHAHAHAHA. i hate myself and my life there has to be an easier way of doing this crap.
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