Comic Books & Graphic Novels

**lycorismoon29** · September 15, 2011, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by XIII Heartless

Lmao so is Superboy still related to Lex in Young Justice?

Not that we know of. It hasn't been stated in the show so I really doubt he is. It would be an interesting twist in the show if he was, and probably give Clark more reason to not interact with Conner. Also with people guessing he is the mole, it would make for more drama. XD I doubt he is, though...just like I doubt he has his telekinetic abilities...):

**loke13** · September 15, 2011, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Ethnic Woman

So, I only got Superboy and Batwoman but I loved both. Kate Kane is my girl crush, but at times the art bothered me. And Kate being so pale as she is always throws me off.

Glad I'm not the only one xD at first I thought it was just make up but nope her actual skin color.

**kazukifafner** · September 16, 2011, 02:02 AM

Spoiler: my thoughts

Batman and Robin – I enjoyed the setup that went on during this issue. The villain, while not appearing save for the very beginning and end, already gives off a sense of cold-hearted determination towards his goals. More importantly, I liked the interplay between Bruce and Damien. While Damien came across a bit too much like a know-it-all, from what I’ve heard of the character, that’s exactly how he is supposed to act. Plus, there was some really solid dialog (mostly on Batman’s part, but Robin was able to deliver a few good lines as well), which really helps to show off the struggles that result from both a difference in maturity and personality. The art, however, could use some work, imo. There were some good single panels, to be sure, but there were also plenty of odd poses and strange faces. That, and the “sequential” part of things could have been a bit better. At the climax of the issue, I had a bit of difficulty following exactly what was going on without going over the panels a few times.

Batwoman – Loved the art in this issue. There were some great uses of spreads, along with just some really nice paneling to go with it. I like the style as well; it really lent itself well to the surreal/horror vibe that this series seems to be going for. The story and characters didn’t quite jump out at me though. Granted, the characters are good, and there was some good dialog in a few scenes, but I felt like I should have known a bit more about the character before I started reading it. Still, the atmosphere and the idea Is definitely worth a second issue, which I think will help me get my head around what’s going on more than this issue did.

Demon Knights – I was kind of disappointed with this one. I enjoyed the art and the setting, which I think were handled really well. I enjoy a good fantasy romp from time to time, and the art had the amount of detail worthy of a fantasy series. However, the plot seemed a bit loose. It was mostly introduction, but it was the kind of introduction that assumes you already have some idea of what’s going on. The problem is that I don’t know what’s going on. I’m not entirely sure of the point of this arc. I don’t know what I’m supposed to be looking forward (outside of, perhaps, some well-drawn dragons), and what I got in this issue wasn’t enough to inspire me to find out.

Green Lantern – This was a great issue. We got to see the story from two sides; one from Sinestro, and the other from Hal. I really enjoyed Sinestro’s characterization throughout this whole thing, and for his first act to involve the Sinestro Corps is a great start. Hal’s character I enjoyed a bit less, but I still liked seeing his attempts to adjust, and the purpose of it all was made clear at the end of the issue. Really nice art too, sans a couple silly faces from Hal. It’ll be interesting to see exactly what happens by the end of this arc. Admittedly, I imagine that what I’m expecting will be exactly what happens, but I still plan to see this arc through.

Grifter – That was, pretty entertaining. It’s a nice enough beginning; we have a guy (a con-artist, in this case) who suddenly gets involved with these strange entities that now want to kill him. It doesn’t explain a lot to the reader, but that works given the point of view that this issue is written through. It wasn’t the best, and I grow weary of plots involving the Pentagon, but the action was enjoyable and I like the lead character. He seems capable of handling himself; but better than that, he seems like he actually has a brain in his head. The artwork was solid as well, though it will take me a bit of time to get used to that mask.

Legion Lost – I feel the same way after reading this as I felt after reading the first issue of JLI. Well, alright, that’s a bit of an exaggeration. I did enjoy this more than I enjoyed JLI, by quite a bit too. However, it also throws a lot at you at once, and I wasn’t really prepared to suddenly find myself in the middle of what was already happening. Now, I don’t know for sure, but based on the dialog, this seems like it is continuing something from the Flashpoint series. Since this reboot is my first real venture into comics, I haven’t read Flashpoint, so a lot of this is lost on me. I will say, however, that the characters were a lot better than those in JLI. They were well characterized in a short period of time while avoiding stereotypical pitfalls. Now, there’s a bit of generic in there, but I prefer that to stereotypical. However, I wasn’t a huge fan of the art, but this is a case of me not really knowing why. There was just something about the style that just didn’t appeal to me, and I wish I could pinpoint exactly what it was. Unfortunately, I can’t.

Mister Terrific – Now that was a fun first issue. It was very exciting and did a lot right. First, I think that of all the new 52 that I’ve read so far, this one handled its introduction to the character the best. In the first few pages, we get an idea of what his powers are. Then, in the next few, we get a brief history of the character. After that, we get more into the arc. I really liked how the chapter portrayed Michael Holt. They made him into a likeable character in really short order. There’s a lot of science babble, but it doesn’t hurt it much. The only time it bothered me was when it interfered with the dialog, which happened only once, maybe twice. The twist at the end definitely sparked my interest I the next issue. The artwork was really slick as well. I love the design of his costume, and the backgrounds were really solid. Not to mention that his lair looked really impressive in that spread.

Suicide Squad – I think I’m really going to like watching this gang of supervillains do their thing. I loved the way they introduced us to the characters, even though the payoff was pretty predictable. Each of the villains is distinguishable from one another, both in their looks and in the way they speak. It would have been nice to see the immediate backstory of all the characters, but the ones that we got were pretty well conceived. The art was fitting as well; having a certain grimy quality to it that helped set the tone of the series. It looked pretty good too, and I loved the character designs. I’m hoping we get to see a bit more history on the remaining members next issue.

Superboy – Probably my favorite part of this issue was the way it was tied to the Teen Titans relaunch. I love it when they let us know that all of this is interrelated right from the get go. Not to mention that it should lead to a great first arc. As for the setup, I really enjoyed seeing the start of this character. It was mostly internal monologue, but it was interesting to see his thoughts on his surroundings. The little hints about how he relates to the other characters in the universe are a welcome addition as well. I was a little unsure of the art at first, but it grew on me, and I liked it by the end of the issue. Of course, part of this was aided by the fact that I love the design of his costume.

**Johnny Stooge** · September 16, 2011, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by quiteMAD

I haven't. The relationship between those two grew stale to me in the 90s. Deadpool's a bit more unpredictable, can cause greater chaos with less repercussion to himself, and has a more solid history with Logan.

Read the bonking book.

Originally Posted by Morpheaus

Every time I pick up any Avengers title and remember that the Vision hasn't been around for nearly ten years, I find myself yearning to drop kick Brian Michael Bendis.

That's why you should do what I do and save yourself the pain. I don't read Bendis' Avengers and I won't read Avengers until he's gone. I can't stand the quip-y dialogue and talking heads.

Originally Posted by quiteMAD

I'm a little disappointed in Norman Osbourne's involvement. After all he did, there's no way he should be able to reintegrate into society with any sort of merit. Unless something happened in Fallout that I don't know about, because I didn't read it.

The parts with Osborn were set in the past. Did you not catch that?

Originally Posted by Ethnic Woman

So, I only got Superboy and Batwoman but I loved both. Kate Kane is my girl crush, but at times the art bothered me. And Kate being so pale as she is always throws me off.

What didn't you like about J.H. Williams III art? I can't enough of it.

Originally Posted by Nevermore

Batwoman - "but I felt like I should have known a bit more about the character before I started reading it."

That might have something to do with the fact that Batwoman was in production long before the reboot came about. It was meant to debut earlier this year but was delayed instead. So it isn't necessarily designed for the reboot. However it wouldn't take you much to catch up. Kate first appeared in 52 and then went on to have a 10 issue run in Detective Comics. You can get seven of those issues in the Batwoman: Elegy trade which is absolutely fantastic. That book is pretty much her whole backstory as far as this new issue is concerned. Bette reappears in the three issue Cutter arc, but I don't think that's been collected.

If you think you enjoyed this, I highly suggest picking up the trade.

Demon Knights - "However, the plot seemed a bit loose. It was mostly introduction, but it was the kind of introduction that assumes you already have some idea of what’s going on.

I wouldn't take it that way. I thought it was very much a set up issue. Move all the pieces into position and then kick off. Give the next issue a shot. You'll probably get a lot more out of it.

You shouldn't feel like you need to know anything. Demon Knights is a brand new book and characters like Madame Xanadu, Etrigan (it did show his origin) and the Shining Knight haven't appeared in their own ongoing for a long time. This is relatively carte blanche.

I also picked up Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man #1. As a first issue, I really didn't like it. For $3.99, it really felt like nothing happened. Osborn talked about spiders, Miles gets into school and then he's bitten. Wasn't a very strong debut for such a hyped comic. Pretty disappointed.

**Morpheaus** · September 16, 2011, 05:11 AM

I'm confident in my decision to avoid the Ultimate titles. I know the Ultimate Avengers has gained quite a bit of a following, but it's nothing like the original the Ultimates pair of series, which were very cinematic in nature and aesthetically pleasing.

**Johnny Stooge** · September 16, 2011, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Morpheaus

I'm confident in my decision to avoid the Ultimate titles. I know the Ultimate Avengers has gained quite a bit of a following, but it's nothing like the original the Ultimates pair of series, which were very cinematic in nature and aesthetically pleasing.

Ultimate Avengers was terrible.

But the new Ultimate Comics Ultimates was really good. It was more like Millar's original Ultimates than Ultimate Avengers.

**lycorismoon29** · September 16, 2011, 05:55 AM

Lol, Stooge, it was just a few moments where Kate's face was really harsh. I don't know how to describe it. I loved every single moment of the art because this style is one I love. Kate would just make an ugly face at times that seemed kinda odd...

**loke13** · September 16, 2011, 06:58 AM

Resurrection Man was a great read. The introduction the to the character was nice, I was a bit confused as to to his powers at first but got the hang of it by the end of the issue the writing kept me interested from beginning to end and the entire plane scene was my favorite.

Red Lanterns was also great funnily enough I enjoyed it more than Green Lanterns I've always liked and felt sympathetic towards Atro's character ever since reading Blackest Night and this issue did nothing to dispel those feelings, I like how they deal with his feelings over Kronas death since that was something I felt they glossed over in War of the Green Lanterns, although the scenes on Earth confused the heck out of me and I was wondering what it had to do with the story but I'm patient I can wait.

I'm also wondering what the whole blood prophecy has to do with the over arching storyline can't wait to find out.

Superboy was another great read I loved how they dealt with his thoughts during the beginning and how he felt and interacted with the world and the scene with the burning house was just plain creepy I loved it. And the appearance of Lois Lane was a surprise an nice one I like that they brought her in this. The ending didn't really hit me like the rest of the issue but I'm defiantly curious how Superboy's story plays out.

**quiteMAD** · September 16, 2011, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Johnny Stooge

Read the bonking book.

The parts with Osborn were set in the past. Did you not catch that?

Haha! No I did not. I'm so used to, if an issue starts with a flashback, the establishing text being on the upper left. On the lower right of the panel, it just kinda gets lost.

I also picked up Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man #1. As a first issue, I really didn't like it. For $3.99, it really felt like nothing happened. Osborn talked about spiders, Miles gets into school and then he's bitten. Wasn't a very strong debut for such a hyped comic. Pretty disappointed.

That's kinda how I felt about the death of Spider-Man. For a death that's actually supposed to be permanent, I expected more of a bang. But this, I can tell is going to be a slow burn. It probably won't be until issue three or four that we get to see Miles in any sort of costume. And yeah, it felt like it was more about Miles' family than Miles himself. Not how I would have introduced him, but we'll see how it goes.

Originally Posted by Ethnic Woman

Lol, Stooge, it was just a few moments where Kate's face was really harsh. I don't know how to describe it. I loved every single moment of the art because this style is one I love. Kate would just make an ugly face at times that seemed kinda odd...

That's what I like best about Kate. She's got alot of hate in her, and it tends to show.

And on an unrelated note,

Spoiler: here's something very cool.

Andrian Syaf, currently the artist for Batgirl, is also a teacher at a Moslem elementary school. I've seen a couple comic artists do lectures at a college, or even do online tutorials. But to teach little kids while also working at a major comic company on one of their biggest titles? This man is awesome.

**XIII Heartless** · September 16, 2011, 07:52 PM

One of my favorite moments of Ultimate Spider-Man so far was the fight scene between Elektra and Black Cat.

Peter: "Whoa, a catfight......someone should stop this.....someone......." *continues to look*

Hilarious. Careful Parker, you're wearing tights.

**Trag** · September 16, 2011, 10:24 PM

Overall.... I haven't reallllly been impressed by anything. Green Lantern was tight, Sinestro is a good character and it makes sense that the guardians did something that dumb. Hal is pretty clueless though o: Legion Lost was meh, legion is kinda gay anyway. Batwoman was great, the art was spot on and we will all wait in anticipation as we FINALLY see this story unfold. I feel damn good for having bought issue 0 though ;) Russerection Man was pretty bad, along with The Grifter. The most disappointing of all was Mr. Terrific. It's basically all about black people... I felt uncomfortable reading some of it. BATMAN AND ROBIN was the greatest last week, along with Red Lanterns. Red Lanterns was tight. Bleez better step off.

**loke13** · September 16, 2011, 10:35 PM

The most disappointing of all was Mr. Terrific. It's basically all about racism and how black people rule.... I felt uncomfortable.

I'm...not even sure how you got that impression.

**lycorismoon29** · September 16, 2011, 10:38 PM

I didn't read Mr. Terrific (oddly enough I just don't like him and his silver balls) but I doubt it is completely black supremacy and racism. :/

**Trag** · September 16, 2011, 11:22 PM

How did I get this impression?

"I'm just a white girl."
"I'm a black woman. Know what that means? I'm built tougher (paraphrasing most of these)"
"a simple thanks black guy for saving me"
I know that's not all, but holy bonk does this kinda feel like tyler perry sat in on the writing of this

that, plus it was a shitty static shock. and it was too fast. they should have definitely saved introducing how he can access other dimensions, hopefully after the first few issues, they fizzle out these pacing problems

**Zenkure** · September 17, 2011, 12:27 AM

Spoiler: totally copying nevermore

Batman and Robin
Really enjoyed this one, especially when they showed a Russian Batman in the beginning though it's a shame what happened to him. This issue in particular does a great job of showing the relationship between Bruce and Damian. It’s done really well as Damien is inherently very different from the other Robins and it’s an issue that the writer can play with for a while. Mysterious villain is also something I very much enjoyed, along with his dialogue at the end which makes for a great set up for the next issue. The art was something I delightfully looked at, while one pose that Damian made near the end was awkard, for the most part it was enjoyable to look at.

Batwing
First of all, I have to begin with the art. Not fond of it. Now, I got nothing against photorealistic art or anything that comes close to it but I’m just not a fan. For what it’s worth, I admit that it is fantastic but this is one of those things that is purely preference on my part. On to the story now, I was really adamant about picking it up but I was curious to see the whole concept of Batman being used somewhere else and quite honestly there is no place better than doing it in Africa. I felt that pacing was kind of strange but that’s most likely because in the end I realize the Massacre fight happens after he stabs Batwing. Overall, pretty good and I look forward to the next one.

Batwoman
Eh, I pretty much agree on every point with Nevermore, but I do understand why the presentation and the characters are the way they are. Never did pick up Batwoman #0 or any of the Detective Comic issues that have her as the main protagonist; only read 52. After reading this, I’ll definitely be picking up those in the near future. I do want to point out that while she looked great being pale in her costume, when it came to seeing her in her civilian clothes, I kept getting the impression she was sick with the flu, lol. Also, being a native Spanish speaking person, I couldn’t help but be bothered by the translation that was given about the red angel or about the fact that people in Spanish say “Dios mio” instead of “Oh, mi dios” which is a more proper translation of the English expression “Oh my god”.

Deathstroke
This was a decent issue overall. The art was okay, the dialogue didn’t stand out. Albeit given what seemed to be the personality of Christoph, his dialogue was adequate as shown by his referencing Deathstroke as a badass. Deathstroke himself was pretty much the way I imagined though I found it a bit surprising when he killed the teenagers at the end. Especially given his history with the Teen Titans whom he’s had an astounding relationship with; which is one of the aspects that I always liked about Deathstroke. The setup I felt was pretty clichéd but the actual content they tackle on at the end works well and is what makes this issue worth at least checking out. Applying the fact that Deathstroke is old and that his contractors don’t think he has it in him anymore to do his contracts satisfactorily was a move that seems interesting to follow. Though if you’re not a fan of Deathstroke, I wouldn’t recommend it.

Green Lantern
One word: Wow. This was an amazing issue and I loved everything about it. Green Lantern has always been one of my favorite titles and I have to say that I greatly enjoyed this. Given the more recent events with the Green Lanterns (blackest night, war of the gls), they pulled off Hal’s unadjusted human interaction superbly. It was also surprising how things went with Sinestro and the reasoning of the Guardians was something that not was surprising but unexpected. Slowly but surely I felt that all the pieces were being put in place for the next issue. This is one of those stories where I have to bite my teeth and have to wait till the next issue because I’ve found that Geoff Johns’ writing is best collectively. Though that may have to do with my only ever reading the graphic novels of his work.

Hawk and Dove
Better than I expect but that doesn’t mean I felt it was great. It was a good issue that shows the current relationship between Hawk and Dove and it does a good job at that. As much as I would like praise that even further, realizing that they’re just meant to be opposites of each other means that it’s a pretty simply idea to pull off but that doesn’t mean it’s not enjoyable to read. The set up was kind of weak with Alexander Quirk not making an actual appearance and the whole situation he created being kept short and simple. However, since Hawk and Dove seems like it’s going to tackle on the same problem about the relationship between these two heroes as that of Batman and Robin, it was actually better for it. The means in which it presents the history of these two characters, albeit short, was neat in the way that it was showed from Hawk’s point of view. It will play off really well if they do the same with Dove and show her side of the story.

Red Lanterns
Enjoyed every bit of this as I did with Green Lantern. The newfound characterization of Atrocious was excellent and logical yet surprising. Atrocious’ struggle to keep on going after his only reason for being angry now being gone was done magnificently – this is especially arranged properly as Atrocious was shown to be a completely different person in the past before the massacre of his people. Not to mention the obvious lack of respect that was shown towards Atrocious. I loved how they showed the power of the Red Lanterns at the beginning when those guys had trouble with just the cat. This is certainly an interesting story and I am curious as to how or if he will be able to get his fellow Red Lanterns to join his cause. The development of his newfound goal is something exclusive to him and he realizes this by wondering if the Red Lanterns need him as they all have different reasons for being filled with anger and hate. The pacing of this issue and the set up for the next one was done wonderfully so based on the nature of the story and because of that, this is probably my favorite title this week so far.

Eh, kinda tired right now so I'll read the other ones some other time.

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