Bleach

[Kaizer]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I disagree. He's making it too obvious without actually showing his number. And the fact that he very angrily asked if they had problems with him taking the lead, that Stark said "no" (unnecessary if Baragan were indeed no. 1, since he would be the de facto leader if Aizen isn't giving orders) and the fact that Lilinet kicked him (as if he did something wrong) leads me to believe that Baragan is just number 2 and Stark just doesn't give a shit about Baragan's megalomania.

Of course, I could just be thinking too much.

No, I don't think you are thinking too much. I actually agree with you and think the same thing. Stark has always had this lazy attitude with him from seeing him previously. So to me it just seems like he's not wanting to actually do any work what so ever. So he lets someone else lead.

Originally Posted by Raiden

Urahara will fight Aizen and it will be a battle of epicness, Urahara for sure will defeat Aizen.

I actually think Urahara would be killed by Aizen =/

[Raiden]

I actually think Urahara would be killed by Aizen =/

Thats why he ran away when Urahara challenge him right?

[Kaizer]

Originally Posted by Raiden

Thats why he ran away when Urahara challenge him right?

If they did fight. Aizen could have gotten caught and had his whole plan could have been ruined. Aizen left and didn't fight for a reason. Instead of fighting Urahara and possibly being defeated or having someone else know of what he did, he made it look as if Urahara had done all hollowification on the group. Making it so the only people that knew of him doing such things would be killed or banished.

[Raiden]

If they did fight. Aizen could have gotten caught and had his whole plan could have been ruined. Aizen left and didn't fight for a reason. Instead of fighting Urahara and possibly being defeated or having someone else know of what he did, he made it look as if Urahara had done all hollowification on the group. Making it so the only people that knew of him doing such things would be killed or banished.

They were pretty far from SS HQ, so any interference was impossible, they would have arrived once the battle was over. Aizen has the ability of illusion and Urahara is one of the smartest characters in Bleach, if not the best. Not only that but Aizen underestimated Urhara when he set the battle war between SS and Aizen into SS favor, most likely Urahara, Ichigo's dad and Uuriyu Dad will be on SS side. Urahara will defeat Aizen because he is ten times as smarter (Aizen stole an invention Urahara made and Vizards were originally made possible by Urahara) and when it comes to strength, Urahara is no fool, He reach Bankai before Aizen and therefore is more skilled in this area (Considering the fact he's the first person to reach Bankai quicker then anyone, Him and Ichigi who is his Apprentice.)

[Phoenix]

We don't know if he reached bankai before Aizen, though. We know that Aizen was monstrously strong while still a lieutenant, so he probably already had bankai. I'm fairly sure Aizen is stronger than anyone at this point.

[Raiden]

We don't know if he reached bankai before Aizen, though. We know that Aizen was monstrously strong while still a lieutenant, so he probably already had bankai. I'm fairly sure Aizen is stronger than anyone at this point.

I highly doubt that, considering the fact Urahara is the first person to reach Bankai in three days, years later Ichigo breaks that record in two days.

[Phoenix]

Yes he was, but Aizen probably had bankai well before that. We are talking about Aizen, the same person who out-kidoed the kidou captain.

[Ventus]

Originally Posted by Kaizer

If they did fight. Aizen could have gotten caught and had his whole plan could have been ruined. Aizen left and didn't fight for a reason. Instead of fighting Urahara and possibly being defeated or having someone else know of what he did, he made it look as if Urahara had done all hollowification on the group. Making it so the only people that knew of him doing such things would be killed or banished.

Yeah, i think that was a better move than fighting Urahara. Tough, i'm not saying he couldn't have defeated him :/

Originally Posted by Raiden

They were pretty far from SS HQ, so any interference was impossible, they would have arrived once the battle was over. Aizen has the ability of illusion and Urahara is one of the smartest characters in Bleach, if not the best. Not only that but Aizen underestimated Urhara when he set the battle war between SS and Aizen into SS favor, most likely Urahara, Ichigo's dad and Uuriyu Dad will be on SS side. Urahara will defeat Aizen because he is ten times as smarter (Aizen stole an invention Urahara made and Vizards were originally made possible by Urahara) and when it comes to strength, Urahara is no fool, He reach Bankai before Aizen and therefore is more skilled in this area (Considering the fact he's the first person to reach Bankai quicker then anyone, Him and Ichigi who is his Apprentice.)

The time it takes to reach Bankai has nothing to do with the full extent of it's power. Ichigo reached Bankai in 2 days, yet Byakuya overpowered him before Ichigo's hollow mask appeared. At any rate, that had nothing to do with the fact that Ichigo still defeated Byakuya, but altough Ichigo acquired Bankai in 2 days, he didn't master Bankai to it's full extent, at that point in time.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

We don't know if he reached bankai before Aizen, though. We know that Aizen was monstrously strong while still a lieutenant, so he probably already had bankai. I'm fairly sure Aizen is stronger than anyone at this point.

Well, i think that in terms of swordsmanship and kido, he could be tied with Old Yama, tough, Aizen's Shikai special ability makes him an even more dangerous foe.

Originally Posted by Raiden

I highly doubt that, considering the fact Urahara is the first person to reach Bankai in three days, years later Ichigo breaks that record in two days.

Again, the time it takes to reach Bankai has nothing to do with the mastery over it or it's full power

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Yes he was, but Aizen probably had bankai well before that. We are talking about Aizen, the same person who out-kidoed the kidou captain.

Yeah, i still remember when he used Black Coffin (kurohitsugi) on Komamura.

[Raiden]

The time it takes to reach Bankai has nothing to do with the full extent of it's power. Ichigo reached Bankai in 2 days, yet Byakuya overpowered him before Ichigo's hollow mask appeared. At any rate, that had nothing to do with the fact that Ichigo still defeated Byakuya, but altough Ichigo acquired Bankai in 2 days, he didn't master Bankai to it's full extent, at that point in time.

True Ichigo mastered it and fought Byakuya the SAME DAY, Urahara mastered Bankai when he was under the second division as a lieutenant and he mastered Bankai in three days so Aizen would have yet to do this feat. The battle with Aizen and Urahara when they first met, AIzen did not master bankai because he doesn't know abnout the 3 day method, only Urahara. Now Aizen knows Bankai, but Urahara is more skilled on using his.

[risingfalls]

Originally Posted by Raiden

True Ichigo mastered it and fought Byakuya the SAME DAY, Urahara mastered Bankai when he was under the second division as a lieutenant and he mastered Bankai in three days so Aizen would have yet to do this feat. The battle with Aizen and Urahara when they first met, AIzen did not master bankai because he doesn't know abnout the 3 day method, only Urahara. Now Aizen knows Bankai, but Urahara is more skilled on using his.

Just b/c Urahara learned his bankai in three days doesn't mean that Aizen didn't already achieve his Bankai.
Chances are, he had already achieved his bankai, since he was already incredibly powerful when he was just a lieutenant.
Aizen simply could have chosen not to reveal his bankai.

[Raiden]

Just b/c Urahara learned his bankai in three days doesn't mean that Aizen didn't already achieve his Bankai.
Chances are, he had already achieved his bankai, since he was already incredibly powerful when he was just a lieutenant.
Aizen simply could have chosen not to reveal his bankai.

I doubt it, it takes extreme training and ten years to master it. Aizen had no time to do these tasks due to researching more on Urahara work.

[risingfalls]

Originally Posted by Raiden

I doubt it, it takes extreme training and ten years to master it. Aizen had no time to do these tasks due to researching more on Urahara work.

So by that logic, even though Urahara achieved bankai in 3 days, he never mastered it b/c he was too busy conducting the research that Aizen later had to learn?

[Phoenix]

I doubt it, it takes extreme training and ten years to master it. Aizen had no time to do these tasks due to researching more on Urahara work.

What? Aizen researches on Urahara's work after he is aware of Urahara's existence. Aizen could've easily achieved bankai 500 years before he even meets the guy.

[blinkboy211]

Yeah uh Aizen wasnt just someone sitting around and doing nothing before he met Urahara. He most likely already had Bankai for himself but didnt want everyone to know cause his bankai wouold have shown them the power of his sword. He didnt want to fight Urahara because he knew that their fight would cause a huge destruction that would be hard for it not to go unnoticed by SS. They would have felt at least an increase in their restiu and would have came to the scene.

[Ventus]

Originally Posted by Raiden

True Ichigo mastered it and fought Byakuya the SAME DAY, Urahara mastered Bankai when he was under the second division as a lieutenant and he mastered Bankai in three days so Aizen would have yet to do this feat. The battle with Aizen and Urahara when they first met, AIzen did not master bankai because he doesn't know abnout the 3 day method, only Urahara. Now Aizen knows Bankai, but Urahara is more skilled on using his.

What makes you think that Urahara is more skilled than Aizen using Bankai? any proof? From what we've seen so far, Aizen's Shikai is more effective than Urahara's, it's special ability is simply awesome. Now, we haven't seen either Azien's or Urahara's Bankai, so there's no way to know who's more skilled using Bankai, also, we have yet to see the full extent of their power, still...

Aizen is an extremely potent combatant, well above the standard of most Captain-level shinigami. While the full extent of his power remains unclear, he implies that he has reached the limit of his potential in all four forms of shinigami combat: swordsmanship, hand-to-hand combat, footwork, and kidō. He goes on to state that the only way for him to advance beyond that would be to gain and master hollow powers.

so, unless Urahara is a vizard, or has reached his limit of his power in the four forms of Shinigami combat, Aizen, is stronger than Urahara.