Kairi's keyblade?

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Endless Warrior Sora

When Ansem the Wise died, didnt that wipe out XH? Is so, then after that happened, couldn't the memory have resurfaced, giving Riku the incentive to give Kairi the keyblade? Even if all these theories were correct, how does the Keyblade relate to Xion?

But Ansem dies after Riku gives Kairi the Gayblade. =X

The Keychain on it relates to the Paopu fruit which is clearly something very very important as

Spoilers – BbS stuff…

Aqua mentions its skin and makes charms identical to those little flower ones in Birth By Sleep

It definitely has some deep connection with Kairi and, by extension, Xion, as

Spoilers

she was based off of memories of Kairi

So yeah, I think Smile and the OP may be right on target here. o-o; I don't like avoiding the idea that the charm is identical to the one Namine gave Sora+Repliku in CoM, though. >>; *still gonna stand by Grace Assassin's theory here*

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Igshar

But Ansem dies after Riku gives Kairi the Gayblade. =X

I'm half afraid he means it as "give permanently to Kairi".
I hope I'm wrong.

It definitely has some deep connection with Kairi and, by extension, Xion, as

Spoilers

she was based off of memories of Kairi

Namely, the face, and Riku meeting Xion on the playground island :P

So yeah, I think Smile and the OP may be right on target here. o-o; I don't like avoiding the idea that the charm is identical to the one Namine gave Sora+Repliku in CoM, though. >>; *still gonna stand by Grace Assassin's theory here*

You mean that Repliku's Memories went into Riku,

Spoilers

Much like how Xion gave back the Memories she took from Sora?

Meh. Never saw the relation in that aspect.
As for the charm, it's a Paopu fruit. Repeating motif doesn't make it a connecting motif.

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Smile

I'm half afraid he means it as "give permanently to Kairi".
I hope I'm wrong.

How he wrote it, it seemed he was talking as though Riku gave the Keyblade to Kairi after being purified, which isn't the case. >>; I hope you're wrong on that, too...

Namely, the face, and Riku meeting Xion on the playground island :P

This is true, but

Spoilers

a single visit to the island wouldn't, in my opinion, make Xion so connected to it that her memories manifest themselves in way of a Paopu charm.

Not sure if that counts as spoilers, but better safe than sorry.

You mean that Repliku's Memories went into Riku,

Spoilers

Much like how Xion gave back the Memories she took from Sora?

That and his really long Unversed one I read yesterday which basically says

Spoilers

Repliku giving his memories back to Riku awakened the second Keyblade (Gayblade) within Riku in much the same way as Xion returning to Roxas/Sora awakened the second one there. The Charm is connected to Repliku closely.

Meh. Never saw the relation in that aspect.
As for the charm, it's a Paopu fruit. Repeating motif doesn't make it a connecting motif.

It's a fruit found, apparently, only on Destiny Islands. That in itself makes it connecting, as anyone who knows of it must have been to Destiny Islands at one point in time, or at least heard of it from someone who went to Destiny Islands.

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Igshar

This is true, but

Spoilers

a single visit to the island wouldn't, in my opinion, make Xion so connected to it that her memories manifest themselves in way of a Paopu charm.

It's a tricky one, and I'll tell you just why.

Spoilers

There's quite a few days in which Riku and Xion were apparently together, but we've no idea what went on there. As the Ultimania itself said -

Originally Posted by Ultimania

Riku helps Xion, and explains about Sora. After this they will work together for a time.

This goes on for about 20 days. Quite a bit could happen during that time, especially seeing how this period of time began with them meeting on DI and ending with Xion and Riku showing up before Axel and Roxas in TLTW.

That and his really long Unversed one I read yesterday which basically says

Spoilers

Repliku giving his memories back to Riku awakened the second Keyblade (Gayblade) within Riku in much the same way as Xion returning to Roxas/Sora awakened the second one there. The Charm is connected to Repliku closely.

This is more to him than to you but since you're the messenger:

Spoilers

Xion's Memories had within them Memories of wielding a Keyblade, not the Soul Eater. And then of course we have Ven complicating things. More so than the act of her giving Roxas the Memories back waking the Keyblade up, I'd put my money on what Memories she gave back, linking back to Ven.
To top it all, Roxas was seen with both Keyblades immediately after the Xion fight. Riku most likely had a period of time with a single Keyblade, before the Memories would've 'kicked in'. And if Memories of Kairi pulled it along I fail to see why give so much significance to an act that took place more than a year before.

It's a fruit found, apparently, only on Destiny Islands. That in itself makes it connecting, as anyone who knows of it must have been to Destiny Islands at one point in time, or at least heard of it from someone who went to Destiny Islands.

But that's my point exactly. Saying Riku had the Paopu charm on a Keyblade that was no doubt based on DI in design linked to anything is saying Aqua and Riku are related because she knew about the Paopu too :\ it's a motif. People will know about it and give it form. Just because two people used it doesn't make them related in the sense you're trying to argue.

[Azrael]

I'm going to bet that "Kairi's" Keyblade was from Riku absorbing Repliku since like the original Riku, I bet that the clone could meet the requirements of wielding the Keyblade.

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Smile

It's a tricky one, and I'll tell you just why.

Spoilers

There's quite a few days in which Riku and Xion were apparently together, but we've no idea what went on there. As the Ultimania itself said -
This goes on for about 20 days. Quite a bit could happen during that time, especially seeing how this period of time began with them meeting on DI and ending with Xion and Riku showing up before Axel and Roxas in TLTW.

Eh... That's all hearsay. Can't really be sure of where they went.

Spoilers

Them showing up in Twilight Town has very little to do with anything relating to Destiny Islands, so that part of it is eh... That shows me that they weren't staying in one place, they were hopping around. This again is reason for me to doubt Xion having had much exposure to Destiny Islands in that time to become so attached to it that a Keyblade inspired by her would be based primarily off of that world...

*shrugs* It's possible she spent some considerable time there, as

Spoilers

when Roxas woke up, Xion said she had gotten to go to the beach... She also brought him seashells, which I doubt she found around Twilight Town, Halloween Town, The World/Castle That Never Was, Agrabah, Wonderland, etc... MAYBE Neverland, but I believe Roxas scouted that out after he woke up from that slumber... I was too quick to judge. D:

This is more to him than to you but since you're the messenger:

Spoilers

Xion's Memories had within them Memories of wielding a Keyblade, not the Soul Eater. And then of course we have Ven complicating things. More so than the act of her giving Roxas the Memories back waking the Keyblade up, I'd put my money on what Memories she gave back, linking back to Ven.
To top it all, Roxas was seen with both Keyblades immediately after the Xion fight. Riku most likely had a period of time with a single Keyblade, before the Memories would've 'kicked in'. And if Memories of Kairi pulled it along I fail to see why give so much significance to an act that took place more than a year before.

I had the info slightly off.

Spoilers – The Longest and Most Controversial Theory Thread on KHI Ever…

Knowing that Xion and Repliku are both replicas, let’s compare their deaths. Xion returns to Sora as his memories. This process allows Roxas to dual wield, and we see that Xion’s memories are connected with the Oblivion keyblade (when she talks to Riku through it).
Now, Repliku, when dying, wondered where his “heart” would go. And while Riku offered that it may go to the same place as his, we now have a definitive answer.

When Repliku died, his memories (including the ones he got from Riku) went to Riku, in a process known as Reverse/Rebirth (Unversed/Birth by Sleep, except the opposite. The Unversed memories become reversed in the original being, and the replica is “reborn” into the original so to speak. I don’t think Nomura meant this at the time of making CoM, obviously, but the term is something that could be used in retrospect). While this did not allow Riku to dual wield, you should note of something that happened when he did become capable of dual wielding. The Gayblade has a papou keychain... or rather, Namine’s good luck charm. So I believe Repliku’s memories do in fact play a part in his ability to dual wield, even if it wasn’t right away.

Link to Thread

So nevermind it. >>; Bug him there about it if you don't agree. He seems to more agree with the XH ideas, anyway, in terms of Gayblade.

But that's my point exactly. Saying Riku had the Paopu charm on a Keyblade that was no doubt based on DI in design linked to anything is saying Aqua and Riku are related because she knew about the Paopu too :\ it's a motif. People will know about it and give it form. Just because two people used it doesn't make them related in the sense you're trying to argue.

Aqua knowing about the Paopu means she knew about DI, which is significant because it was before the Worlds were Connected. That's neither here nor there, though. I get your point and have been trying for a while to come up with something to refute it, but I've just decided to drop it, because you're right in that I'm looking far too deep into it. You could even argue that Repliku/Namine's charm wasn't even based on the Paopu fruit, as it looks just like a star. A star is a star. Just because the Paopu is star-shaped doesn't mean everything star-shaped is Paopu-related. :\

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Igshar

Link to Thread[/spoiler]
So nevermind it. >>; Bug him there about it if you don't agree. He seems to more agree with the XH ideas, anyway, in terms of Gayblade.

Nah, not going to bother. My debates with him never end up too well, especially on things we both feel so strongly about. Just pointing out to you - the messenger - why you shouldn't necessarily follow that :\

That's neither here nor there, though. I get your point and have been trying for a while to come up with something to refute it, but I've just decided to drop it, because you're right in that I'm looking far too deep into it. You could even argue that Repliku/Namine's charm wasn't even based on the Paopu fruit, as it looks just like a star. A star is a star. Just because the Paopu is star-shaped doesn't mean everything star-shaped is Paopu-related. :\

Eh. I do like to think Namine's charm was a Paopu. But there's enough basis for that without bringing in a plethora of other people to explain it through. Especially since more and more I believe Repliku didn't really have Riku's Memories, but Sora's Memories of Riku :\

[KH Warrior 2]

Ugh thta ugly looking keyblade of hers? I don't even if she even has a keyblade let alone tring to hold how pathetic

[∞]

Originally Posted by KH Warrior 2

Ugh thta ugly looking keyblade of hers? I don't even if she even has a keyblade let alone tring to hold how pathetic

No, she doesn't have her own Keyblade, but she is capable of wielding one, unless it's just Riku letting her do so.

[Axel of Ice]

Maybe its just a weapon that looks like a keyblade.

it would be kinda lame if it was real.
Another possible answer is that her desire to protect sora made her heart so called "fit" for a keyblade

[Smile]

Originally Posted by ∞

No, she doesn't have her own Keyblade, but she is capable of wielding one, unless it's just Riku letting her do so.

To be precise, she is capable of holding and swinging one. Wielding thus far seems to hold a much heavier meaning in KH, so perhaps we shouldn't flaunt it around so easily :P

Originally Posted by Axel of Ice

Maybe its just a weapon that looks like a keyblade.

it would be kinda lame if it was real.

Nomura confirmed both Keyblades Riku pulled out were as real as Sora's in Another Report. Namely - he was Duel wielding too.

Another possible answer is that her desire to protect sora made her heart so called "fit" for a keyblade

I'd sooner blame it on her being a PoH, a type of entity with based relations to the Keyblade going by KH1 and how Kairi ended up on DI to begin with, if not just write it off as "Riku let her use it".

[Igshar]

Originally Posted by Smile

"Riku let her use it".

Time for me to be stupid and draw a couple baseless comparisons >>

Roxas let Xion use his Keyblade and used a stick instead for one of the early missions after Xion lost her ability to wield. I'd say that the same type of idea is at play. The Wielder wills the person to hold the Keyblade, so they can. Jack Sparrow and Leon both tried to hold and use Sora's Keyblade, only to have it subconsciously (apparently) teleport back to Sora's possession. He didn't will them to use it, so they couldn't use it.

Same goes for the Deep Dive video, in which Roxas throws the Oblivion to Riku, allowing him to use it to fight the Neo Shadows. Riku, at that time, was unable to wield his own Keyblade yet, so a similar effect may have been in play there.

*shrugs* Basically, just saying it's not unprecedented for a Wielder to hand off their Keyblade to a non-Wielder in order for them to hold it and use it temporarily. The only major difference is that, in the two examples, the one who was lent the Keyblade later became Wielders themselves, and I don't want to apply that logic to Kairi... D:

[Endless Warrior Sora]

None of this is making any sense to me



No, Xion isnt based off of memories of Kairi, she's based off of memories of Sora.

But none of this makes any sense to me.

BUt it does look to me lke no one here wants Kairi to have a Keyblade lol...I would want her to have one, just to represent for tha females.

AAAaaaany I see wut Ig is sayin here, but I think since Kairi is a princess of heart she has the power to wield one. But I dont think her keyblade has a connection to Xion.

[Smile]

Originally Posted by Igshar

Time for me to be stupid and draw a couple baseless comparisons >>

Fun.

Roxas let Xion use his Keyblade and used a stick instead for one of the early missions after Xion lost her ability to wield. I'd say that the same type of idea is at play. The Wielder wills the person to hold the Keyblade, so they can. Jack Sparrow and Leon both tried to hold and use Sora's Keyblade, only to have it subconsciously (apparently) teleport back to Sora's possession. He didn't will them to use it, so they couldn't use it.

To play Devil's Advocate, I'd say that Xion had a damn good reason to be able to hold onto Roxas's Keyblade. But I do agree that for Jack and Leon, even if instinctively, Sora moved from not willing it to stay (passive in Leon's case) and willing it back (Jack's case). He was also shown to be able to summon it from a distance, like in his fight with Roxas - an ability Roxas seemed oblivious to. I think that comes to show that if Roxas wanted to call the KK back, he probably could've done so. He didn't want to.

Same goes for the Deep Dive video, in which Roxas throws the Oblivion to Riku, allowing him to use it to fight the Neo Shadows. Riku, at that time, was unable to wield his own Keyblade yet, so a similar effect may have been in play there.

That... I'd further play Devil's Advocate for.

Spoilers

Xion had quite a bit to do with that scene, it seems. However, I do agree she might've made Roxas, as a part of him, not will the Oblivion back. Hence, Roxas, not on his own accord, willed for it to remain with Riku - seeing how again, I doubt he knew he could just call it back. And he did throw it to him to begin with and all.

*shrugs* Basically, just saying it's not unprecedented for a Wielder to hand off their Keyblade to a non-Wielder in order for them to hold it and use it temporarily. The only major difference is that, in the two examples, the one who was lent the Keyblade later became Wielders themselves, and I don't want to apply that logic to Kairi... D:

Two different cases I doubt you can really draw conclusions from - especially at this time we know all but squat about how and why Riku eventually became a wielder again.

Originally Posted by Endless Warrior Sora

Spoilers

No, Xion isnt based off of memories of Kairi, she's based off of memories of Sora.

She is, actually.

Spoilers

The Memories belonged to Sora, but were just that - his Memories of Kairi. Not that the Memories belonged to her, but portrayed her.

BUt it does look to me lke no one here wants Kairi to have a Keyblade lol...I would want her to have one, just to represent for tha females.

Namine was awesome both as a character and as a plot device just fine without having a Keyblade. Larxene was too, and she was still a fighter. And you now have Xion and Aqua showing us what Girl Power is all about.
I'd much rather have Kairi act out her role of a PoH then become a Keyblade Wielder, thus proving her original goal in the series is all but redundant and they failed with her purpose as a character :v

AAAaaaany I see wut Ig is sayin here, but I think since Kairi is a princess of heart she has the power to wield one.

I agree that just might let her hold onto one and use it without it flashing back to its original wielder. However, until you show me Snow White "wielding" a Keyblade, don't say that.
:\ wielding a Keyblade in KH = much, much more than simply holding it.

But I dont think her keyblade has a connection to Xion.

Of course "her" Keyblade doesn't, if a Keyblade has a connection to Xion in this threat, it's Riku's o.o;

[jphantom]

This thread has like nothing to do with Days.