Is Org XIII really THAT bad?

[Neku's nobody]

Just thinkin alaud out here. if you think about it the goals for the organization werent that evil. Of course they did cuestionable stuff by turning people into heartless but if they just waited for Sora to finish kingdom hearts do you really think it would be worth stopping them?

[3keybladewielder]

Originally Posted by Neku's nobody

Just thinkin alaud out here. if you think about it the goals for the organization werent that evil. Of course they did cuestionable stuff by turning people into heartless but if they just waited for Sora to finish kingdom hearts do you really think it would be worth stopping them?

they wanted kingdom hearts for there own and to become some 1

[MasterLukeS]

Organization members themselves may not all be bad. However, the purpose of the Organization is bad, whether or not most of the members even know the final purpose or not is another issue.

[Neku's nobody]

Yeah but it seems like the only member that really wants to do something evil with kingdom hearts is Xemnas and only him, like for example Saix constantly talked about the heart he never had and how if he had a second chance. It leads me to wonder what would have happened if Marluxia would have taken charge

[UnstoppableSound]

Originally Posted by Neku's nobody

Just thinkin alaud out here. if you think about it the goals for the organization werent that evil. Of course they did cuestionable stuff by turning people into heartless but if they just waited for Sora to finish kingdom hearts do you really think it would be worth stopping them?

-POST CONTAINS SPOILERS-

Yes the Organization was evil. Everyone seems to sympathize for them because they had a couple good seeds within their ranks (Roxas, Xion....that's about it). And no, we can't say for sure if Axel was considered a "good guy" because who knows what he did in his past to become a Nobody, especially since he had ties to Saix. Xemnas and the other five members who established the Organization became Nobodies because they wanted to abandon the so-called "shackles of emotion" that a heart would carry. They wanted unlimited power, not just to become whole beings again. And then not to mention the other members who clearly would not have done anything good with the power of Kingdom Hearts (Larxene, Marluxia...).

People really need to stop thinking that they just accidentally became Nobodies and were just all a bunch of lost beings who wanted to become whole again. Fact is, they did it for a reason, and nothing good could have happened if they achieved their goal.

[Neku's nobody]

Originally Posted by UnstoppableSound

Xemnas and the other five members who established the Organization became Nobodies because they wanted to abandon the so-called "shackles of emotion" that a heart would carry. They wanted unlimited power, not just to become whole beings again. And then not to mention the other members who clearly would not have done anything good with the power of Kingdom Hearts (Larxene, Marluxia...).

People really need to stop thinking that they just accidentally became Nobodies and were just all a bunch of lost beings who wanted to become whole again. Fact is, they did it for a reason, and nothing good could have happened if they achieved their goal.

The thing is that you cant asume what marluxia would have done if he had taken over the orginization and Ireally dont know if it would have been good or bad and I have a little theory that saix was working on the side to assure that once he gained acces to kingdom hearts he made sure that he got a REAL HEART cause as we now know from all of the dialoge that includes Saix in KH2, he wanted to be whole again but not necceseraly to take over the worlds

[Ventux]

They didn't really care about the consequences of their dark actions, and in most cases relished them.

Doesn't really matter, considering that Xemnas was manipulating them to get the power of Kingdom Hearts (much like how Xehanort's heartless wanted the power of Kingdom Hearts).

[brave little toaster]

They're goals weren't evil, just how they achieved them were bad. Though I personally think they're misguided by Xemnas, who's really the only one that's truly evil, since his main goal was power. Everyone else was only in it for the heart.

[Grace Assassin]

"Organization XIII. They're a bad group."
"Good or bad. I don't know."
---> Moral ambiguity. Coming from the one who was abused by them, no less.

Don't assume that just because someone is the antagonist that they are definably evil.

[Ikkin]

Originally Posted by Neku's nobody

Of course they did cuestionable stuff by turning people into heartless but if they just waited for Sora to finish kingdom hearts do you really think it would be worth stopping them?

It was necessary to stop the Organization from completing Kingdom Hearts even if they had no ulterior motives beyond getting their hearts back. 358/2 Days made it pretty clear, in my opinion - by collecting the hearts freed from Heartless into Kingdom Hearts, that meant those hearts couldn't go back to where they belonged. Remember the heart-shower at the end of KH2? Every single one of those hearts belonged to someone who would be, for all intents and purposes, dead until it returned. There's no way something like that could be overlooked just because the Organization are sympathetic.

[Xorbok]

I dont think there bad (look at Demyx!). Xemnas and Saix are EVIL! They just want hearts. Whats so wrong about that!

[Neku's nobody]

Originally Posted by Xorbok

I dont think there bad (look at Demyx!). Xemnas and Saix are EVIL! They just want hearts. Whats so wrong about that!

if you think about it the founding members are the ones who are realy evil, Demyx and the others are either loveable goofs
or people who will do anything to get their hearts back. and you dont nessecarily need to want to free youre self from emotions to become a heartless and nobody you just need to have a strong will to becom a nobody, that is why xaldin was trying to turn beast into a heartless, cause he knew that beast was to strong to be killed by a mere heartless so he tryed the oldfashioned way. By making the person fall to darkness which would not only create a stong beast nobody but also a strong heartless which the organization could control

[Zero Sora]

Well lets see...
1. They went around messing with worlds in order to turn people into powerful Heartless for Sora to kill.
2. They just wanted hearts, they didn't care whose they got from Kingdom Hearts. So twelve or thirteen people would be lost to darkness forever.
3. Xemnas wanted power. Marluxia, Larxene and II - VI probably wanted power. Saix just went around the wrong way to obtain a heart. Axel, Demyx and Luxord seemed to just want a heart. And Roxas... I don't really know if he actually wanted a heart

[PrimeTime]

they werent vicious with their ways but they werent right about it tryna take kingdom hearts

[Marly]

Originally Posted by brave little toaster

They're goals weren't evil, just how they achieved them were bad. Though I personally think they're misguided by Xemnas, who's really the only one that's truly evil, since his main goal was power. Everyone else was only in it for the heart.

Definitely this.


It's a pretty opinionated question to ask if they were truly bad. To me, they weren't. Well, like blt said, mostly misguided by Xemnas. Not to mention, they probably didn't see their actions as evil, they couldn't feel guilt, if no one had emotions, no one would be able to judge what was right or wrong. Just saying.