Is Org XIII really THAT bad?

[UnstoppableSound]

Originally Posted by *TwilightNight*

Those were only said for the Apprentices: the first six. Not everyone else. Nomura mentioned it, from what I can remember. The one who wrote it was Xaldin, I believe. And guess what he is? In the end, the report is still in his opinion. So what he thinks isn't exactly what the rest of his past colleagues would think before they all befell Darkness. All they have in common is that they chose the same path before knowing the consequences.

Yeah, it only applied to the first six, exactly.

[KH Warrior 2]

It ain;t that bad to me I eman liek they bad and all but not that bad

[Kiwise]

Innocent question, don't butcher me: When did the Org. ever turn anyone into a Heartless intentionally?
Don't say Beast. Besides him.
(Wasn't that Xaldin acting on his own, anyway?)

Seriously, people have been saying that since KH2, I guess I just never got the memo. When did that happen (besides with Beast)? I was under the impression Sora came up with that idea himself.

[Neku's nobody]

I dont think they actually went around the worlds doing what maleficent did. But they did realesse hearless into the worlds and expect roxas and sora to derstroy them.

[jphantom]

To a certain point of view they're bad but in their eyes of course they think they're good.

[Ikkin]

Originally Posted by Kiwise

Innocent question, don't butcher me: When did the Org. ever turn anyone into a Heartless intentionally?
Don't say Beast. Besides him.
(Wasn't that Xaldin acting on his own, anyway?)

Seriously, people have been saying that since KH2, I guess I just never got the memo. When did that happen (besides with Beast)? I was under the impression Sora came up with that idea himself.

It was strongly implied that the Organization was responsible for turning the dragon in The Land of Dragons into a Heartless.

There were a few cases, though, where Sora said that the Organization was trying to set Heartless on people, and there was never any proof of it. I'd say that, generally speaking, it's best to assume that the Organization's wrongdoings - apart from restraining the hearts comprising Kingdom Hearts - were of a more personal sort than the generalized evil that the Disney villains were involved in, and that Sora's belief otherwise was based on assumption rather than fact.

[KH Warrior 2]

Like one person said in their eyes they're good in our eyes their bad

[baconbits]

Reading these again, I really hope SE makes more importance out of the Organization and manages to wrap up the KH saga before I die (I mean, how many years has it been now? sheesh)

[Kiwise]

Originally Posted by Ikkin

It was strongly implied that the Organization was responsible for turning the dragon in The Land of Dragons into a Heartless.

There were a few cases, though, where Sora said that the Organization was trying to set Heartless on people, and there was never any proof of it. I'd say that, generally speaking, it's best to assume that the Organization's wrongdoings - apart from restraining the hearts comprising Kingdom Hearts - were of a more personal sort than the generalized evil that the Disney villains were involved in, and that Sora's belief otherwise was based on assumption rather than fact.

That's right, I forgot about the dragon. When I first played the game, I was kind of more under the impression it had been there for a long time and they just went and woke it up, but I think I remember reading something that said they'd created it.

S'what I thought. Thanks.

[Heolstor]

Aren't they the ones who originally flooded the worlds with the heartless? I'd say that is pretty bad.
That might of been Maleficents crew...
Well I think they both did it at some point.

[destinykh]

There were a few cases, though, where Sora said that the Organization was trying to set Heartless on people, and there was never any proof of it. I'd say that, generally speaking, it's best to assume that the Organization's wrongdoings - apart from restraining the hearts comprising Kingdom Hearts - were of a more personal sort than the generalized evil that the Disney villains were involved in, and that Sora's belief otherwise was based on assumption rather than fact.

The Heartless appearing even after Maleficent lost control of them in the Hollow Bastion War is proof enough. And the Storm Rider in Land of Dragons and the Grim Reaper in Port Royal is already as solid evidence as you can get that the Organization were setting Heartless on people in the hopes that Sora, being the hero that he is, will step in and defeat them. And sidenote, Luxord released Nobodies on Will's crew just because they were standing in his way and from the look of things, Will is the only one who is alive. So, Sora's belief is fact.

[Lamentation]

I don't really know if you can call them bad or not.
What they want isn't that bad. Everyone wants to be a somebody, right? They're all missing something important that they wanna regain. But the way they want to reach that goal, I think that's the bad thing. Although, I don't think they had another chose to make.

Sora is getting rid of the heartless too right? Isn't he also a bad guy then? I mean, the organisation are getting rid of them, but Sora is kinda helping them to.

[destinykh]

Although, I don't think they had another chose to make.

They could have find the Princesses of Heart, ask nicely to gather at their headquarters and promise them that they won't get hurt, which is truth as seen in KH1. Or they could have gathered up as much Heartless as they can find, put them all in once place where they can't hurt anyone, then ask Sora and co to kill them.

Sora is getting rid of the heartless too right? Isn't he also a bad guy then? I mean, the organisation are getting rid of them, but Sora is kinda helping them to.

Sora is what we call an unwitting pawn. He did not know that him killing Heartless is helping his enemy. Even then he has no choice because if he stops, the Heartless will hurt people.

[Ikkin]

Originally Posted by destinykh

The Heartless appearing even after Maleficent lost control of them in the Hollow Bastion War is proof enough. And the Storm Rider in Land of Dragons and the Grim Reaper in Port Royal is already as solid evidence as you can get that the Organization were setting Heartless on people in the hopes that Sora, being the hero that he is, will step in and defeat them. And sidenote, Luxord released Nobodies on Will's crew just because they were standing in his way and from the look of things, Will is the only one who is alive. So, Sora's belief is fact.

Well, that's not quite what I meant. Sora seemed to think that the Organization was trying to turn people into Heartless on a large scale by releasing Heartless into the worlds. But there was never any evidence of that - the Organization might have set a few boss Heartless on people, but their goal was always to force Sora to fight rather than to cause mass casualties.

I guess my point is, even when other people are around, it'd be more fair to say that the Organization is setting Heartless on Sora rather than that they're setting Heartless on entire worlds.

As for Luxord setting Nobodies on Will's crew, that doesn't really contradict my claim. I never said the Organization didn't do anything bad, after all - just that they acted on a much smaller scale than Sora thought. Attacking people in their way is still more personal than general, after all. Also, I doubt that Will's crew was actually killed - considering how the Dusks acted in the rest of the game when they brought someone down, the lesser Nobodies just seem more likely to restrain people who are in their way than kill them.

Originally Posted by destinykh

They could have find the Princesses of Heart, ask nicely to gather at their headquarters and promise them that they won't get hurt, which is truth as seen in KH1. Or they could have gathered up as much Heartless as they can find, put them all in once place where they can't hurt anyone, then ask Sora and co to kill them.

Neither of those seem all too likely to work, to be honest. Sora's certainly not going to let a part of Xehanort near the real Kingdom Hearts - and he's not going to go and kill Heartless for the Organization either, if he knew what was going to happen to those hearts.

[Silver warrior]

Originally Posted by Neku's nobody

Just thinkin alaud out here. if you think about it the goals for the organization werent that evil. Of course they did cuestionable stuff by turning people into heartless but if they just waited for Sora to finish kingdom hearts do you really think it would be worth stopping them?

xemnas was planing on turning people into heartless so he could finish kingdom hearts absorb it's powe and take over the universe,but like roxas said"the organisazion has his good apples and bad".